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Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by LatteLazy »

PradeetPatel wrote: post #246
LatteLazy wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is plenty of evidence that we can still avert the worst of it without resorting to geoengineering. And zero evidence we will...

This kind of defeatist attitude doesn't help with the situation at all. We can all do our part in reducing our daily carbon emissions, raise awareness, and educate policymakers and business stakeholders on the importance of mitigating climate change!

You can call it defeatist, but at this point it's factually true. We've made a negative amount of progress on this matter. And that's taken 40 years. We have very little time left. We have already locked in almost 2 degrees of warming.

These are all regrettable facts. But that are facts.

40 years of raising awareness and individual action has failed.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by HPsquared »

nologic01 wrote: post #156

The enthusiasm with geoengineering among the HN community is worrisome. Not sure which computing analogy would drive home the complete recklessness of this mentality but the Earth is not something you can reboot to the last working state once you harebrained patch implodes. It is true that we have been slowly geoengineering for ages (initially unwittingly, recently with eyes wide open) and it is also true that our mo…

I suppose it comes down to a judgement of how reliable the models are. In this case the models of what happens after applying the "patch".

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by brutusborn »

roneythomas6 wrote: post #172
brutusborn wrote: post #98

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The hiding of cooling was implied in the problems in the data/models. It’s a moot point really, the scientists did some dodgy stuff, whether they were exaggerating warming or hiding cooling doesn’t make much difference to their integrity.

How could cooling be implied from climategate leaks, when climategate deniers where saying "There is no relationship whatsoever between human activities and climate change."?

If the leaks show that some models and data were ignored that show cooling then you can imply that they were hiding cooling.

You can also imply that their warming models and data reconstructions were not very accurate. Either way many climate scientists have a history of shadiness, just look at all the Dr Mann lawsuits pending.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by 0xDEF »

nologic01 wrote: post #156

The enthusiasm with geoengineering among the HN community is worrisome. Not sure which computing analogy would drive home the complete recklessness of this mentality but the Earth is not something you can reboot to the last working state once you harebrained patch implodes. It is true that we have been slowly geoengineering for ages (initially unwittingly, recently with eyes wide open) and it is also true that our mo…

How are you going to convince Asia and Africa to stop their economic growth? How are you going to convince Americans to stop driving Ford F150s? How are you going to convince Europeans to stop doing vacations that involves long-distance flights to exotic faraway countries?

Geoengineering is the only solution.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by CalRobert »

atoav wrote: post #226
nologic01 wrote: post #156

The enthusiasm with geoengineering among the HN community is worrisome. Not sure which computing analogy would drive home the complete recklessness of this mentality but the Earth is not something you can reboot to the last working state once you harebrained patch implodes. It is true that we have been slowly geoengineering for ages (initially unwittingly, recently with eyes wide open) and it is also true that our mo…

It is very uncomplicated in fact: Most people here on HN are rationally capable of understanding the challenges humanity faces right now. What many aren't capable of is accepting the conclusion that we all have to change the way we live and quite possibly even the way we organize society in order to mitigate the irreperable problems our way of living has already caused. Deep down they might suspect this is necessary,…

I want everyone to be able to live in a well insulated flat powered by renewable energy walking and biking distance from their daily needs, and with public transport (and rarely-needed EV share) for the rest. Combined with a low meat low dairy diet and less disposable consumer junk it seems like we could get a long ways with an arguably better quality of life. Maybe work half time too.

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Post by CalRobert »

matsemann wrote: post #235
atoav wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is very uncomplicated in fact: Most people here on HN are rationally capable of understanding the challenges humanity faces right now. What many aren't capable of is accepting the conclusion that we all have to change the way we live and quite possibly even the way we organize society in order to mitigate the irreperable problems our way of living has already caused. Deep down they might suspect this is necessary,…

Especially since HNers mostly are the top top top earners in the world, having unsustainable lifestyles. No one likes to accept it can't be like this forever.

It's really frustrating that I had to work really hard, study the right things, and get lucky to be able to afford to live somewhere my direct emissions are minimal. More people should be able to afford to live car free in well insulated homes.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by concordDance »

PradeetPatel wrote: post #246
LatteLazy wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is plenty of evidence that we can still avert the worst of it without resorting to geoengineering. And zero evidence we will...

This kind of defeatist attitude doesn't help with the situation at all. We can all do our part in reducing our daily carbon emissions, raise awareness, and educate policymakers and business stakeholders on the importance of mitigating climate change!

Consider me a policy maker.

I want to know what the costs[1] of ignoring are likely to be so I can be sure it's worth the pain to ban non-electric cars in 10 years, ram through nuclear power plants while gutting safety regs so we can get them built in less than a decade and try and threaten India and China into reducing CO2 emissions. What do you tell me?

[1] In $, convert other units like lives into dollars as need be and be sure to value lives from different cultures at 0.1x as thats the expressed preferences of the population based on chatitable giving figures.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by selimthegrim »

brewdad wrote: post #99
petre wrote: post #91

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You know what happens to soil when it rains salt from the clouds, right? Sulphur at least is more natural, as it's also released by volcanoes. https://extension.psu.edu/sulfur-fertility-management-for-gr...

Good thing we’ve never seen a volcanic eruption impact global temperatures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pinatubo

And ozone for that matter

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by adaml_623 »

CalRobert wrote: post #255
atoav wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is very uncomplicated in fact: Most people here on HN are rationally capable of understanding the challenges humanity faces right now. What many aren't capable of is accepting the conclusion that we all have to change the way we live and quite possibly even the way we organize society in order to mitigate the irreperable problems our way of living has already caused. Deep down they might suspect this is necessary,…

I want everyone to be able to live in a well insulated flat powered by renewable energy walking and biking distance from their daily needs, and with public transport (and rarely-needed EV share) for the rest. Combined with a low meat low dairy diet and less disposable consumer junk it seems like we could get a long ways with an arguably better quality of life. Maybe work half time too.

Who's building that well insulated flat and where is the insulation coming from?

I sometimes worry that the pyramid of infrastructure and labour required to create that flat is not scalable

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by quickthrower2 »

nologic01 wrote: post #156

The enthusiasm with geoengineering among the HN community is worrisome. Not sure which computing analogy would drive home the complete recklessness of this mentality but the Earth is not something you can reboot to the last working state once you harebrained patch implodes. It is true that we have been slowly geoengineering for ages (initially unwittingly, recently with eyes wide open) and it is also true that our mo…

You cant terraform apply I guess!
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