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Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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It also causes acid rain, which while it will never be literally "acid" falling from the sky, a general decrease in the pH of water entering arable lands, estuaries and other areas is not going to be great for any of them (also the generalized increase in maintenance cost for concrete, and particularly limestone, structures).

Water is hydroxic acid /jk

Lol. No, water is a base - hydrogen hydroxide!

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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The best time to panic was 1980. The next best time is right now.

We should definitely not write for The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

I don’t think I should be writing for anything, and I’m surprised I’m allowed to here!

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Either the world accepts that nuclear energy along with wind and solar is part of the solution to climate change, or we will be forced into geoengineering solutions. We may have already reached that point.

There are lots of nuclear reactors being built world wide currently. The problem is that it takes forever to build nuclear reactors and we would need twenty times as much nuclear as we have right now just to replace coal. An additional twenty times as much as we have now to replace oil. And an additional fifteen times as much as we have right now to replace gas. Nuclear is not particularly cheap either.

That's why you build non-dispatchable renewables at the same time. NREs can help quickly reduce emissions when there's wind/sun, and when nuclear reactors are online you can finally bury the coal plants that were running during windless nights.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Either the world accepts that nuclear energy along with wind and solar is part of the solution to climate change, or we will be forced into geoengineering solutions. We may have already reached that point.

There are lots of nuclear reactors being built world wide currently. The problem is that it takes forever to build nuclear reactors and we would need twenty times as much nuclear as we have right now just to replace coal. An additional twenty times as much as we have now to replace oil. And an additional fifteen times as much as we have right now to replace gas. Nuclear is not particularly cheap either.

Renewables still have a grid level storage issue. Having enough nuclear as a backbone would be the best we can do right now until battery tech catches up

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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There are ways to make clouds and have this effect that don't involve sulfur! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_cloud_brightening

Am I understanding that page correctly? Sounds like 3–4 deg C of cooling for an estimated $5 bn/yr.

Yeah, if climate change really was an “emergency”, mitigation would be extremely cheap. With big side effects. Nevertheless if it really were an emergency… in real emergencies, triage happens, and downsides are taken for granted.

Thankful that there’s no real emergency yet, but I suspect governments will drag their feet long enough that there will eventually be one, and then emergency relief will be deployed anyway, but it will cost way way more than 5bn.

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I'm still kinda surprised that no novel from Neal have become films or TV shows yet.

There’s been talk of a Seveneves movie or mini series for years….

Snow Crash has passed hands a few times as well.

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This is defeatist and also not true. We adopt nuclear, invest in carbon capture technologies, and employ geoengineering strategies as needed until fusion comes online. This is a solvable technical problem with significant political hurdles.

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I mean that seems to be naturally happening anyway? All major economies are under replacement rate and China for example is on a large downward population trajectory.

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Don't feed the shill/troll people.

In order to break the planet a lot more is necessary. We created some problems but the planet is far from broken.

The planet will be fine. People, animals, plants in many countries will be fucked though.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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A better wording for the title: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships has reduced masking of global warming The word 'cause' in current title seems wrong.

Your suggested title is both vaguer and probably more wrong too: the thread claimed that cloud literally reflected the sunlight, causing less heat to go to the sea surface, there is no "masking" involved.

The current title is precise, the tweet chain is about sea surface temperature and the cause-effect of sulfur emission on the temperature. While it is related to global warming, and there might be other causes to sea surface warming as well, that is not what was discussed.

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Good thing we’ve never seen a volcanic eruption impact global temperatures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pinatubo

Or consider the year without summer: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

Just remember a year without a summer means a year without most agriculture
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