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Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

#142

I thought YC/Hacker News is intended to help people build new and better companies. How does this fit?

Successful companies surf the zeitgeist to unfathomable heights.

Regardless of your feelings, concern about climate change is very much the spirit of the age.

You can ride this wave to success, cynically or with good intentions (your choice), or you can watch history pass you by (again, your choice).

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

#143

I thought YC/Hacker News is intended to help people build new and better companies. How does this fit?

YC is a startup accelerator.

Hacker News is hacker news.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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You can't possibly be from the Southwestern US. We're used to particularly brutal summers here, but this year has just been insane, unlike anything I've ever experienced (and, of course, we've had many "record breaking years" over the past 10-20 years). I already have plans to move north. Phoenix has been one of the fastest growing cities in the US - I definitely believe a lot of people are going to think twice about…

Next year will be worse, but after that should be much cooler. The 90 year "Moctezuma" cycle (think dust bowl 1930's - much warmer than this year, 1840's, 1750's and conquistador records from 1660's) is combined with a peak 11 year solar cycle and an el nino, will subside. overall warming will still increase, so 2110's will be brutal, but late 2020's should be awesome -- cooler summers and warmer winters, longer grow…

Do you have a single source for this idea?

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't possibly be from the Southwestern US. We're used to particularly brutal summers here, but this year has just been insane, unlike anything I've ever experienced (and, of course, we've had many "record breaking years" over the past 10-20 years). I already have plans to move north. Phoenix has been one of the fastest growing cities in the US - I definitely believe a lot of people are going to think twice about…

Next year will be worse, but after that should be much cooler. The 90 year "Moctezuma" cycle (think dust bowl 1930's - much warmer than this year, 1840's, 1750's and conquistador records from 1660's) is combined with a peak 11 year solar cycle and an el nino, will subside. overall warming will still increase, so 2110's will be brutal, but late 2020's should be awesome -- cooler summers and warmer winters, longer grow…

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

#146
post #125

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As a 90s kid a remember peak oil. It was taught every where except in one class - economics. The teacher was adamant we would never run out of oil because as the supply dwindled the cost would go up and new oil or other forms of energy would be found. Makes perfect sense now but at the time this was not the norm. Economics ended up being my favorite class. Slightly related he also predicted the internet bubble collap…

"Someone will do something" isn't especially good economics. It's just wishful thinking. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. It's a bad idea to plan on it.

In this case it was predicted in a specific context though, and he was correct. Do you wish that he was thinking wishfully perhaps?

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next year will be worse, but after that should be much cooler. The 90 year "Moctezuma" cycle (think dust bowl 1930's - much warmer than this year, 1840's, 1750's and conquistador records from 1660's) is combined with a peak 11 year solar cycle and an el nino, will subside. overall warming will still increase, so 2110's will be brutal, but late 2020's should be awesome -- cooler summers and warmer winters, longer grow…

Do you have a single source for this idea?

The current short term (5 year) climate thinking is that conditions (land + ocean temps, storms, etc) will worsen for "a few years" and then lighten up a little with a slight reduction and general plateau for a few more years.

The ratcheting upward saw toothing is a feature of the El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) pattern .. and the world is just now moving into the upturn phase.

Climate dynamics are akin to the tennis racket theorem - the uninterferred long term arc of the centre of gravity (gross parameters) is essentially deterministic, however the short term specific orientations of the tumblings along that arc resist exact prediction.

You can read more via:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/what-el-ni%...

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/e...

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

#148
post #97

„Parts of Italy reached temperatures up to 48C“ This has been debunked. The 48 degree reported was land surface temperature, not air temperature that is usually reported. https://skepticalscience.com/land-air-difference.html

That was a lot of words to end up confirming that at least 46C was recorded as surface air temp (1.25m above ground) according to their own sources.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

#149

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Of course, it is obviously inevitable that at some point the doomsayers will be correct (and, to note, there are also many times they've been right in the past - I wouldn't have wanted to be born in Europe just before the Black Death, or in Rome just before it fell, or in 510 or so just to be in prime age during what is often called "the worst year in history" in 536, ...)

Yup however you wouldn't be here today if someone.in your ancestry didn't live through that - assuming your family is from that part of the world

I’m sure it was deeply unpleasant for my ancestors and I’m currently thinking the world may be up being way more unpleasant for my descendants than it was for me.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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There are boomers here who will only die a few years early.

Hopefully you are joking and not intentionally committing a hate crime by using the "b**er" word to disparage against the chronologically challenged

Hey, my mom's a boomer, some of my greatest idols were boomers. It's not a term of disparagement, she's chronologically gifted! As long as we get her a good AC unit and keep it maintained, she'll probably live longer than average.
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