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Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by IAmGraydon »

akasakahakada wrote: post #42

Just for tonga folks. I remember reading this yesterday and they calculated that the effect of tonga only make at best 0.1 degree C increase in temperature. However what human did is 1.x degree C. That is order of magnitude difference => tonga is almost irrelevant. https://e360.yale.edu/digest/summer-2023-extreme-heat-causes edit: previous claimed 2.x is in degree F, here we global citizens use international standard…

The worldwide anomaly in 2023 is about 0.9 degrees C from the mean since 1979, not 2.x. Furthermore, the 2023 anomaly from the last decade mean is about 0.3 degrees C. The 2023 anomaly from 2022 is 0.18 degrees, which is close to what they predicted the Tonga eruption would cause.

One of the best ways to fight climate change is to not make up numbers out of thin air. There has to be trust for people to begin to change, and exaggerating because you want people to feel as scared as you will not help.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by raverbashing »

tosser0001 wrote: post #16

Part of this may have been due to the Hunga Tonga eruption which injected an tremendous amount of water vapor into the upper atmosphere https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1685971656198545408 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unpr...

Humm that's curious

Also, the temperature anomalies seem to be close to the El Nino temperature changes (which is a big blob of hot water over the Pacific)

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by refulgentis »

raverbashing wrote: post #62
tosser0001 wrote: post #16

Part of this may have been due to the Hunga Tonga eruption which injected an tremendous amount of water vapor into the upper atmosphere https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1685971656198545408 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unpr...

Humm that's curious Also, the temperature anomalies seem to be close to the El Nino temperature changes (which is a big blob of hot water over the Pacific)

And its the first el nino year in a few years!

A much more compelling argument than your sibling arguing a mob is suppressing anonymous discussion lol.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by klyrs »

revscat wrote: post #26
dbetteridge wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Up the proverbial river of excrement without a paddle, if you'll excuse my French

The lifespan of everyone reading this has decreased by several decades.

There are boomers here who will only die a few years early.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by refulgentis »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #56
tosser0001 wrote: post #16

Part of this may have been due to the Hunga Tonga eruption which injected an tremendous amount of water vapor into the upper atmosphere https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1685971656198545408 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unpr...

I feel like there must be some other influence here, and the Tonga eruption is a good candidate. That's not to say this isn't already exacerbated by existing human-derived climate change, but the way the temperature leaps off the chart starting in April is not like the gradual upward trend we see with climate change. It makes utterly no sense from that perspective. Something external to climate change has to be influ…

What is the mechanism for They ostracizing anonymous accounts on HN?

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by goatlover »

jackmott42 wrote: post #24
goatlover wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media often does a sensationalist job of presenting climate change. It's always in existential terms, then social media runs with that, and you have public figures talking about how we're all doomed if we don't do something drastic in the next 5-10 years. Instead of it being a range from less severe to more severe with risk factors and tradeoffs increasing, along with possible mitigation strategies from more mund…

You remember that time "The media" tried to communicate nuance, and it worked? The reason you don't is because you can't. People are not equipped to receive that. The real issue here is industry is destroying our planet, and you nitpick the media because you can't handle the real problem. Bike shedding.

That's an extremely reductive take. Industry provides the economic activity for billions of people and our modern lifestyle. Clean energy will still be provided by industry, as will carbon capture and other mitigating solutions.

What do you propose, going back to a preindustrial lifestyle? Do you have something better than we do that or we all die message that I'm criticizing? Bike shedding my ass.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by LatteLazy »

refulgentis wrote: post #32
jboggan wrote: post #19

I came across this hypothesis a few years ago and thought it was an interesting possibility, but that there wasn't any data that really supported it. In light of the data of the last few months I honestly can't think of a hypothesis that better explains what is going on with ocean temperature, especially in regions that should be in winter right now. https://theethicalskeptic.com/2020/02/16/the-climate-change-... It'…

Gave it about 5 minutes, left me with a strong crackpot energy, even with the disclaimer a little bit in. The length seems to affect the authors ability to make a cohesive argument, even when I set my bias against length aside. I closed the tab after I saw the claim its the only way to explain increased CO2 PPM during [March / April 2020]. Figure 1A is "substantial jump in carbon ppm each year from 15 Feb through 1 A…

It's horrendously long and bad. I tried to read it once. I don't get why people deny climate change, it's not like we're even doing anything to stop it for them to actually complain about...

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by klyrs »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #23
layer8 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change increases the likelyhood of such extreme events. That's part of the predictions.

In fairness, climate change does not increase volcanism...

Nope! Just like the pandemic didn't increase earthquakes. But, when you're in the middle of one crisis, it makes a second crisis even more devastating.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by goatlover »

revscat wrote: post #54
irrational wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is going to cause everyone reading this to die decades earlier?

Starvation and war. And hubris, of course. Same as every other time human civilizations have collapsed.

Do you have access to a time machine? Do you know that climate change will cause human civilization to collapse?

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

revscat wrote: post #26
dbetteridge wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Up the proverbial river of excrement without a paddle, if you'll excuse my French

The lifespan of everyone reading this has decreased by several decades.

Hyperbole doesn't help anyone.

Are things worse than what the IPCC is letting on? Absolutely, yes, but saying everyone's gona die from it is ridiculous. Most reading this will merely be inconvenienced. Some will lose houses to wildfires or hurricanes, but most will swealter a bit more than they would have otherwise.

The only people who really have to worry are those in the tropics living with unreliable power grids and no ac.

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