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Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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irrational wrote: post #38
WA wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure: - "Winter" in the headline makes it sound more extreme. It’s information-free, because winter and summer temperatures close to the equator are very similar. - Numbers are given in absolutes when convenient to paint a picture and are without meaning without a proper reference. - References are sketchy: "in winter as hot as Europe in summer". "This would be weird in New South Wales". Ok then. - Color scheme of ma…

> winter and summer temperatures close to the equator are very similar. Do you actually know where the equator is on that map?

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by pvaldes »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #23
layer8 wrote: post #9

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Climate change increases the likelyhood of such extreme events. That's part of the predictions.

In fairness, climate change does not increase volcanism...

Of course that climate change will increase volcanism. Is the most logical outcome.

Well, I'll self-correct myself: Replace "will increase" by "has been increasing".

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by espresso_enigma »

tosser0001 wrote: post #16

Part of this may have been due to the Hunga Tonga eruption which injected an tremendous amount of water vapor into the upper atmosphere https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1685971656198545408 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unpr...

From the NASA article: "The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere and would not be enough to noticeably exacerbate climate change effects."

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by revscat »

irrational wrote: post #37
revscat wrote: post #26

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The lifespan of everyone reading this has decreased by several decades.

What is going to cause everyone reading this to die decades earlier?

Starvation and war. And hubris, of course. Same as every other time human civilizations have collapsed.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by gadflyinyoureye »

retrac wrote: post #2

The current sea temperature anomaly is extreme. You can see it plotted since 1980 here: https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/ The dark black line that diverges in March is this year to date.

Can anyone find a sea temp plot before 1980? NASA likes to pull tricks such as start acreage burn around that time because it was a local minimum.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by IAmGraydon »

tosser0001 wrote: post #16

Part of this may have been due to the Hunga Tonga eruption which injected an tremendous amount of water vapor into the upper atmosphere https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1685971656198545408 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unpr...

I feel like there must be some other influence here, and the Tonga eruption is a good candidate. That's not to say this isn't already exacerbated by existing human-derived climate change, but the way the temperature leaps off the chart starting in April is not like the gradual upward trend we see with climate change. It makes utterly no sense from that perspective. Something external to climate change has to be influencing the system.

Unfortunately, it also seems like a lot of people are hesitant to even discuss this possibility for fear of being ostracized by the mob.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #55
retrac wrote: post #2

The current sea temperature anomaly is extreme. You can see it plotted since 1980 here: https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/ The dark black line that diverges in March is this year to date.

Can anyone find a sea temp plot before 1980? NASA likes to pull tricks such as start acreage burn around that time because it was a local minimum.

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by lancesells »

b112 wrote: post #34
ben_w wrote: post #18

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Wasn’t that about 146 million tons of water? It’s a lot in one go, but the atmosphere has about 2.5% water vapour, which is a total of ~ 1.3e17 kg.

The water was underground, in the volcano for aeons, and only emerged with this eruption. As we all know, quantumly entangled particles behave differently. And these, are temporally linked with h2o from 1.8M years ago! Thus, charged with the fortitude of their warmer, more energetically excited brethren, their effect is greater, this is scientific fact, and cannot be disputed, so don't try!

> Thus, charged with the fortitude of their warmer, more energetically excited brethren, their effect is greater, this is scientific fact, and cannot be disputed, so don't try!

It really feels like you're the one disputing the science but saying it shouldn't be disputed. Of course, science should be looked debated through every sort of lens but the extreme events happening year over year kind of point to one thing. Where there's proverbial smoke there's fire.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by timeon »

bogdan0s wrote: post #40
SkeuomorphicBee wrote: post #28

Just an interesting first person anecdote: In the south of Brazil (close to Argentina) we normally have well defined seasons, but almost like clockwork we always had a famous "mini-summer of May", an unusually warm week in an otherwise cold mid-autumn. Well in the last decade the new concepts of "mini-summer of June" and now "mini-summer of July" started entering the popular parlance, as this abnormally warm weeks du…

Interesting. In Rome we have a similar week in October, it's called "the roman October"

Is it Indian summer?

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by goatlover »

pvaldes wrote: post #52
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, climate change does not increase volcanism...

Of course that climate change will increase volcanism. Is the most logical outcome. Well, I'll self-correct myself: Replace "will increase" by "has been increasing".

Volcanism isn't caused by the climate, it's caused by magma seeping up from the Earth's core through cracks in the mantle.
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