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Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by jackmott42 »

WA wrote: post #6
mistrial9 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok - but the 400 page report does not get promoted, this broadcast TV piece does..

Yeah but this kind of clickbait actively destroys trust in climate science, because the lunatics think that they get sold a hoax. And actually, the kind of writing is extremely sketchy.

No, it doesn't. What destroys trust in climate science is coordinated attacks from conservative think thanks. You people who think its the fault of them not acting like perfect logicians are delusional. Its is propaganda (clickbait or otherwise) which actually makes things happen, not reasoned arguments. Conservatives understand this is and that is why they tend to win even when their goal are clearly bad.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by layer8 »

AmpsterMan wrote: post #15
layer8 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The climatologists aren't in actual disbelief, just in a metaphorical one. That makes it slightly click-baity.

They are metaphorically in disbelief, but in actuality they are not in disbelief? Yeah I guess I understand the climate deniers too. EDIT: Be cause I wrote the above in anger Scientists have been sounding the alarm for as long as I have lived. They have consistently used the most optimistic scenarios and we have constantly done worse than that. Climate Deniers want to deny because the reality is an inconvenience to t…

"I can’t believe you posted that comment!" That's metaphorical. Of course I believe you posted that comment, it's right in front of my eyes.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

layer8 wrote: post #9
timmg wrote: post #7

Lots of crazy things in the weather this year. The obvious thing is to blame climate change. But these are pretty sudden and extremely unusual. I don’t think this is at all what is predicted. I wonder how much the Hunga Tonga eruption of last year affected the weather this year. I think it injected some crazy amount of water into the atmosphere.

Climate change increases the likelyhood of such extreme events. That's part of the predictions.

In fairness, climate change does not increase volcanism...

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by jackmott42 »

goatlover wrote: post #11
mistrial9 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok - but the 400 page report does not get promoted, this broadcast TV piece does..

The media often does a sensationalist job of presenting climate change. It's always in existential terms, then social media runs with that, and you have public figures talking about how we're all doomed if we don't do something drastic in the next 5-10 years. Instead of it being a range from less severe to more severe with risk factors and tradeoffs increasing, along with possible mitigation strategies from more mund…

You remember that time "The media" tried to communicate nuance, and it worked? The reason you don't is because you can't. People are not equipped to receive that.

The real issue here is industry is destroying our planet, and you nitpick the media because you can't handle the real problem. Bike shedding.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by tantalor »

layer8 wrote: post #12
tantalor wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain how this is clickbait.

The climatologists aren't in actual disbelief, just in a metaphorical one. That makes it slightly click-baity.

Oh fun we are having a semantic debate now. I guess nobody wins.

I think a little dose of media literacy is needed here. Obviously scientists aren't literally "refusing to accept", "rejecting", or "don't believe" this data is accurate. Rather "disbelief" in this sense is a normal phrasing used in media to describe the sense of surprise or shock on the part of experts who didn't expect this to happen. One scientist said it was "unheard of".

Yes the article is replacing that with "disbelief" in the figurative sense, but we all know what that means. It's not clickbait.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by revscat »

dbetteridge wrote: post #14
gumballindie wrote: post #3

“This is between 10C and 20C above what is normal for this time of year in parts of Chile and Argentina” Excuse the language, but it would appear that we are in a bit of a jam.

Up the proverbial river of excrement without a paddle, if you'll excuse my French

The lifespan of everyone reading this has decreased by several decades.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by swader999 »

timmg wrote: post #7

Lots of crazy things in the weather this year. The obvious thing is to blame climate change. But these are pretty sudden and extremely unusual. I don’t think this is at all what is predicted. I wonder how much the Hunga Tonga eruption of last year affected the weather this year. I think it injected some crazy amount of water into the atmosphere.

Absolutely Hunga Tonga. Water vapor has an amplifying effect. See: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq2299 https://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/

https://www.space.com/tonga-eruption-water-vapor-warm-earth

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by SkeuomorphicBee »

Just an interesting first person anecdote: In the south of Brazil (close to Argentina) we normally have well defined seasons, but almost like clockwork we always had a famous "mini-summer of May", an unusually warm week in an otherwise cold mid-autumn. Well in the last decade the new concepts of "mini-summer of June" and now "mini-summer of July" started entering the popular parlance, as this abnormally warm weeks during a cold season are becoming more numerous and coming later in the season (late Autumn and even Winter).

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by layer8 »

tantalor wrote: post #25
layer8 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The climatologists aren't in actual disbelief, just in a metaphorical one. That makes it slightly click-baity.

Oh fun we are having a semantic debate now. I guess nobody wins. I think a little dose of media literacy is needed here. Obviously scientists aren't literally "refusing to accept", "rejecting", or "don't believe" this data is accurate. Rather "disbelief" in this sense is a normal phrasing used in media to describe the sense of surprise or shock on the part of experts who didn't expect this to happen. One scientist sa…

My perception is that this figurative use makes for a sensationalist headline.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by WA »

tantalor wrote: post #10
WA wrote: post #4

An interesting phenomenon drowned in a clickbait article. I sometimes understand the lunatics of the "climate change is a hoax" movement.

Explain how this is clickbait.

Sure:

- "Winter" in the headline makes it sound more extreme. It’s information-free, because winter and summer temperatures close to the equator are very similar.

- Numbers are given in absolutes when convenient to paint a picture and are without meaning without a proper reference.

- References are sketchy: "in winter as hot as Europe in summer". "This would be weird in New South Wales". Ok then.

- Color scheme of maps made to look extreme.

- Map on top and mid don’t match.

- Map on top apparently has "precipitation" selected?! Does the range on the right even show temperatures, especially since this map doesn’t match the second map?

- Cherry-picking most extreme ranges: 10-20°C in some areas. But Buenos Aires is only 5°C hotter. Btw. Germany where I live, is 5-7 degrees cooler than usually in August. Doesn’t matter though.

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