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The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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Yeah I recently paid nearly $100 for two people to visit the Chicago Field Museum and it was pretty disappointing. I'd guess well over half the exhibits are basically unchanged since I was a kid over 40 years ago, and it showed.

https://www.fieldmuseum.org/visit

Good lord. Yup, $43/head if you want to see all the "ticketed exhibitions". (Is there sales tax too? Sometimes museums don't.)

Beyond just the prices, I really don't like the new spreading trend of charging more for "current exhibitions" separate from the rest of the museum. The Field Museum is "only" $30 for basic admission that excludes those.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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I remember the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry being an incredible place in the 1970s. I think it was in the 1990s I was there for some reason and it was pretty much gutted. Maybe the decline in American museums has been going on quite a while.

I love omsi! Have only lived here since 2017, though. What was so extra about it in the '70s that's lacking now (or at least was lacking in the '90s)?

The old building next to the zoo was smaller, so it was more cozy and you were just surrounded by fascinating things. And it had a periscope. It might well just be nostalgia that remembers it as a superior experience, however. I share the fond memories, but it's hard to say the new location is objectively worse. It's a lot larger and spread out, for sure, which changes the ambiance significantly. But it accommodates a lot more people. And there's an actual submarine now, instead of just a periscope.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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I’m not sure what the difference is between something like the Guggenheim in NYC or the Tate Modern in London, but you can walk into the Tate without having to pay anything at all. Is there lots of government funding in the UK for the museum sector that doesn’t exist in the states?

So, the epiphany to have here, is that for many countries — but not the US! — historical cultural sites and artefacts (not just museums, but also things like monuments and land features) are a large draw for foreign tourists. People fly to Paris just to visit the Louvre; people visit Egypt just to see the pyramids; etc.

These "historied" cities have built up powerful hospitality industries around foreign visitors there to see historical cultural sites. Insofar as you can think of a municipal government as "a dozen neighbourhood business associations in a trenchcoat", hospitality-focused cities like this have strong incentives to put large amounts of public funding into museums, art galleries, etc. — both just to ensure that these things are very nice to visit and continue to draw tourists; but even more, to reduce the costs to tourists of visiting those sites in particular as much as possible... as a loss leader to draw those tourists into the rest of the city, where the hospitality-focused businesses can then capture their money!

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But, why doesn't this happen in the US? Well, it's no one single thing.

• The US is big. There's a lot of stuff in the US, but you can't see all of it on one vacation. The "draw power" of any one US city to foreign "cultural tourism" is diluted because you can't just go to one or two cities and see all the cool stuff.

• In fact, many of the most "tourist-driven" sites in the US — Niagra Falls, the Elvis museum, etc — aren't in cities that people have any other reason to visit. All there is there is the site itself, and the hospitality businesses, with no other reason to be there. Because of that, people who e.g. travel for business, can't sneakily justify a vacation to these places by holding a conference or retreat there; there's no "there" there to make that practical, let alone enjoyable. They're just tourist traps, that you have to go a long way out of your way to visit. (The one exception being Las Vegas, a tourist trap so overgrown that you can hold conferences there — but it's hard to justify a "business retreat to Vegas" for other reasons.)

• And a lot of the other well-known stuff — the Grand Canyon, Mt. Rushmore, Yellowstone, etc — are (or are in) national parks, i.e. places excluded from capitalist build-up. Which is good insofar as it prevents a tourist trap; but bad insofar as it prevents these places becoming genuine hospitality-focused cities!

This is all very much unlike most of the rest of the world, where the big cities and the "stuff people want to see" are mostly co-located.

• Also, re: art and museums specifically — some might suggest that the US has nothing that foreign tourists want to see because "it's too young to have culture", but that's not true at all (see: e.g. MoMA; the Smithsonian.) I think the real "problem" with US museums is that they're modern in a way that means that all the coolest stuff can be seen in online catalogues; is well documented in video documentaries; etc. Meanwhile, other galleries and museums are old and crusty and not hip to technology (save for archival-science technology), in a way that means that you have to go there if you want to see it.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

#34
A lot of museums have free or low cost days or are perpetually free or low cost for certain communities. I have to wonder if higher prices for those who “pay retail” price isn’t just subsidizing a lot of free museum experiences for underserved people/children.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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Protips: Museum networks with reciprocal memberships and passes from local libraries There are a few networks of museums such that once you join one museum in one network you get member benefits (or discounts) to the other museums in that network. The networks break down into: Arts [0], Science [1], and Children's museums [2] [3]. Bonus network: Zoos! [4] These can be a great value - especially for families with kids…

Second this! Moreover, most muesum memberships pays for itself after a couple visits. We just took the family to NYC and went to the AMNH twice, and a membership was worthwhile.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

#37
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every significant museum has vastly more in reserves than what can be shown. They're not art galleries, they also have a scientific and conservancy purpose.

I don't get "conservation" in the terms of art. They should keep art safe so that someday it may be seen? Why not let it be seen now? I bet they could even lease out a fair amount of it with requirements of maintenance and some amount of public accessibility. That alone would drive down their costs at least.

Lease it to whom? All the other museums are in the same scenario.

There's more art of value than there is space to show it, so we rotate stuff in and out with special exhibitions and whatnot.

Re: The entrance fee to America’s museums keeps rising

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I’m not sure what the difference is between something like the Guggenheim in NYC or the Tate Modern in London, but you can walk into the Tate without having to pay anything at all. Is there lots of government funding in the UK for the museum sector that doesn’t exist in the states?

The Guggenheim Director makes $850k.[0] The Tate Modern Director "earns between £110,000–115,000 ($148,000–155,000)"[1] They do differ in public funding, but the philosophies between US and European museums are fundamentally different. [0] https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/21/guggenheim-direct... [1] https://news.artnet.com/art-world/tate-denies-gender-pay-ine...

Thanks for that.

All US nonprofits have to disclose financial data, and it's public. IRS form 990.

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