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Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by sureglymop »

ughitsaaron wrote: post #95
btilly wrote: post #13

I have moderately severe ADHD, and have good reasons to not use medication. My first response to this is that it solves problems that I don't have, and ignores the ones I do have. Organizing my day on paper is trivial. I'm also married to someone with a good partnership, and we offload different types of tasks to each other. She might enjoy having software assistants to be more productive, but I don't need that. I ha…

> it solves problems that I don't have, and ignores the ones I do have This is exactly what I suspect of virtually any kind of app, software, platform, etc. I’m advertised as intended to help me with ADHD. ADHD is expresses itself in such a broad variety of ways. I just don’t trust that any kind of app is actually so tuned into my experience of ADHD that it could actually be helpful. I hesitate to say this: but, it’s…

I agree with some exceptions. Apps that take the friction out of certain tedious processes could actually help. Think about an app to order the medication easily or an app to set up an appointment with a psychotherapist easily. Think about how those neo bank applications make banking accessible and easier to people (in certain countries or circumstances). For me, even though I generally dislike apps to do certain processes, I really think digitalization and the fact that I can almost all "adulting responsibility tasks" online is very helpful considering the ADHD.

So I think these services always take the wrong approach. Instead of promising to make the ADHD disappear or take a disciplined all-or-nothing blocking approach, they need to consider the fact that people with ADHD are aware that it's a thing they have to life with and generally try to optimize their lives to best cope with it.

So any such company should probably take on whatever tasks one has to do in life to survive in general and try to make all of that more accessible and disability-friendly to be of most help.

And we still live in a world with a lot of stigma, the ideas that adult ADHD isn't a thing or that medication is outright bad or literally cheating in life, or that ADHD doesn't exist or is overdiagnosed. There's A LOT to tackle in this lane.

Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by P_I_Staker »

scns wrote: post #189
MisterTea wrote: post #48

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Do you have any comorbidities with ADHD? My issue is moderate ADHD with severe anxiety. Wonderful combo.

Two things that all types of ADD have in common are impaired emotional regulation and impulse control. A combination with Anxiety/Depression meds and therapy might help. Some types only need an offlabel antidepressant like Bupropion for both impairments. All the best. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0425269973

Bupropion is not very effective, I don't want people to get too excited

Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by overnight5349 »

fragmede wrote: post #160
overnight5349 wrote: post #72

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> isn't helping ADHD people be productive the same thing? Sure, if you believe the meaning of life is working as hard as you possibly can for no benefit until you die. Real people in the real world have passions, desires, hobbies. Chores, relationships, responsibilities. We have lives . If you've ever met someone with severe ADHD, you'd see that it affects your life deeply and can greatly decrease your quality of lif…

I'm not sure which part of what I wrote got you so triggered. I have ADHD, among other things. My ADHD isn't the same as your ADHD. Medicated, I'm able to do things and have a life. I have hobbies . Without it, my apartment's a mess and my life is in shambles and all I can do is scroll Reddit. I'm not sure why you took my comment so poorly, could you help me understand why? I'm sorry you have it too.

> I'm not sure why you took my comment so poorly, could you help me understand why?

Bingo!

Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by ilc »

skjoldr wrote: post #176
ilc wrote: post #57

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In reading your replies.. you've got it straight, from another long time ADHDer. Tools are useful in as much as they help you control your attention. The only ones I've found truly useful are ER4SRs. (In ear monitors, -35DB to the environment. I listen to music while I work, at ~70DB. If you do the math about the only thing I can hear is a fire alarm... and that's about right. :) )

I'm now very sad about Etymotics not sealing in my ear canals properly lol Currently on the lookout for other IEMs with decent sound, I heard good things about Crinacle's 7Hz Dioko that have a flat-ish signature similar to Etymotics.

There are 3 different triflange tip sizes, and foamies. Getting the seal right for me is about being willing to put them in deep enough. It certainly takes a bit of adjustment to how deep you have to insert them. There are plenty of non-deep insertion IEMs, but they are "only" usually around -20DB.

I've used the 7HZ Timeless, and it is an excellent IEM... But it doesn't match the ER4, for my use-case.

Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by ilc »

sureglymop wrote: post #198
ilc wrote: post #57

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In reading your replies.. you've got it straight, from another long time ADHDer. Tools are useful in as much as they help you control your attention. The only ones I've found truly useful are ER4SRs. (In ear monitors, -35DB to the environment. I listen to music while I work, at ~70DB. If you do the math about the only thing I can hear is a fire alarm... and that's about right. :) )

Can you really work while listening to music? Having ADHD also, I can only perfectly focus if there is silence. Luckily I have over ear headphones that do noise cancellation when nothing is playing.

Everyone is different. What works for one person, doesn't work for another.

Even for "normies" this is true. We all forget this. Medicine is often an art as much as a science.

As far as my ability to work to music... It beats office noise, and I have always had tinnitus, so... total silence is actually bad for me. Background noise saves me.

Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by beardedmoose »

vogon_laureate wrote: post #171
beardedmoose wrote: post #78

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I was previously on Guanfacine in combination with Adderall for my blood pressure so I don't have experience taking it solely. I did learn I cannot take stimulants at all, it takes my anxiety to 1000 and makes me a complete a-hole around my house which helps nobody. Can you elaborate which ADHD symptoms it has helped the most? I'm currently not taking any meds but I can't focus or concentrate to save my life which ma…

How effective was it on your blood pressure? I'm currently on Modafinil and it's been a life-changer but it doesn't help with some of the killer symptoms of ADHD that still plague me (like task avoidance, distractibility, task completion, time management, planning, consistency, etc.). But I was recently diagnosed with hypertension so need to deal with that. I'm worried the GP will say that I need to discontinue the M…

It seemed effective in my case and brought my blood pressure down to the normal 120/80 range from my default of ~140/95.

Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by beardedmoose »

sureglymop wrote: post #198
ilc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In reading your replies.. you've got it straight, from another long time ADHDer. Tools are useful in as much as they help you control your attention. The only ones I've found truly useful are ER4SRs. (In ear monitors, -35DB to the environment. I listen to music while I work, at ~70DB. If you do the math about the only thing I can hear is a fire alarm... and that's about right. :) )

Can you really work while listening to music? Having ADHD also, I can only perfectly focus if there is silence. Luckily I have over ear headphones that do noise cancellation when nothing is playing.

With myself it depends on the task and genre of music. I often turn to music without lyrics if I really need to focus as it drowns out distractions and doesn’t create one itself.

Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by ughitsaaron »

sureglymop wrote: post #201
ughitsaaron wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it solves problems that I don't have, and ignores the ones I do have This is exactly what I suspect of virtually any kind of app, software, platform, etc. I’m advertised as intended to help me with ADHD. ADHD is expresses itself in such a broad variety of ways. I just don’t trust that any kind of app is actually so tuned into my experience of ADHD that it could actually be helpful. I hesitate to say this: but, it’s…

I agree with some exceptions. Apps that take the friction out of certain tedious processes could actually help. Think about an app to order the medication easily or an app to set up an appointment with a psychotherapist easily. Think about how those neo bank applications make banking accessible and easier to people (in certain countries or circumstances). For me, even though I generally dislike apps to do certain pro…

Don't get me wrong, I really believe there are helpful tools out there. For instance, Notion has been one of the most genuinely useful applications I've ever used (like, it has genuinely improved my quality of life by helping me organize things for work, my personal life, household chores, side projects, etc). On the other hand, I also see how for others like me with ADHD, something like Notion could be overwhelming and therefore totally useless.

I suppose that's my point. ADHD has such a diverse battery of symptoms (many of which are also expressed in other pathologies) that targeting just one of them with an app and then pitching it as "an app to help with ADHD" is very unconvincing (if not downright lazy, if not cynical). An app made to do a generally useful thing pitched to anyone who has the need for that thing, however…

Re: Cognitive AI for ADHD

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Post by bob-09 »

Kiro wrote: post #150
btilly wrote: post #13

I have moderately severe ADHD, and have good reasons to not use medication. My first response to this is that it solves problems that I don't have, and ignores the ones I do have. Organizing my day on paper is trivial. I'm also married to someone with a good partnership, and we offload different types of tasks to each other. She might enjoy having software assistants to be more productive, but I don't need that. I ha…

> but I don't need that. I have her. Good for you. Not everyone is that lucky though.

Sounds like a co-dependence to me. There will be a day they no longer "have" her.
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