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As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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Looks like we are the paper clip optimising narrow AI we’ve all been afraid of after all… We don’t make paper clips though, we’ve optimised to make money and turn everything into it. So ashamed to be part of of it,

I think we're a little better than that. No one actually wants a world where everything is turned into financial statements. The tragedy of the commons is a bug, whereas wholesale conversion to paper clips for Clippy is a feature.

Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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I tried to get newspapers to report on it and they kept telling me they already covered ocean acidification.

Iirc the research regarding what kind of emotion evoking news gets most attention shows it's mainly awe and anger. Sadness doesn't get you very far, so there's a direct incentive to not report on any collapse related stuff we can't really do anything about anymore, since it won't get shared at all.

Could spin it as an angry piece condemning the fossil fuel lobby, but that probably gets you cut off the next time there's a burning oil rig to report on.

Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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I tried to get newspapers to report on it and they kept telling me they already covered ocean acidification.

Iirc the research regarding what kind of emotion evoking news gets most attention shows it's mainly awe and anger. Sadness doesn't get you very far, so there's a direct incentive to not report on any collapse related stuff we can't really do anything about anymore, since it won't get shared at all. Could spin it as an angry piece condemning the fossil fuel lobby, but that probably gets you cut off the next time there…

> that probably gets you cut off the next time there's a burning oil rig to report on.

More likely, the money from the expensive green-washing ads they buy is cut off.

Anyway, I'm sick of profit motive being an excuse for media complicity in atrocity.

Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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My friends who are fishery people (biologists) are all pretty sure we've doomed commercial fisheries in the ocean. It's too late to recover and no one really wants to fix the issues.

Enjoy your seafood while you can because they think they'll be gone before our generation dies out.

Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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Aside from Ocean Acidification, uncontrollable Algae Blooms, and Melting Sea Ice, we now have Ocean Deoxygenation on our plates. We also have unprecedented droughts on land as well. Humans really will be the next mass extinction event on this planet. So incredibly selfish.

I don't think there has ever been a time in all of human history with so many existential threats.

Between catastrophic climate change and resource depletion, AI, the danger of nuclear war, COVID and other potential pandemics, economic insecurity for most of the population, and farmed irrational extremist political movements, we seem to have quite a lot to deal with.

Might as well just have Carrington Event 2.0 and be done with it.

Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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post #35

My friends who are fishery people (biologists) are all pretty sure we've doomed commercial fisheries in the ocean. It's too late to recover and no one really wants to fix the issues. Enjoy your seafood while you can because they think they'll be gone before our generation dies out.

They are already growing fish meat in labs, hopefully that and farming will take some of the pressure off the wild fisheries.

Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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Aside from Ocean Acidification, uncontrollable Algae Blooms, and Melting Sea Ice, we now have Ocean Deoxygenation on our plates. We also have unprecedented droughts on land as well. Humans really will be the next mass extinction event on this planet. So incredibly selfish.

I don't think there has ever been a time in all of human history with so many existential threats. Between catastrophic climate change and resource depletion, AI, the danger of nuclear war, COVID and other potential pandemics, economic insecurity for most of the population, and farmed irrational extremist political movements, we seem to have quite a lot to deal with. Might as well just have Carrington Event 2.0 and b…

Actually, the world has never had greater economic security than it does in 2023.

Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No disinformation campaigns are necessary. Fish do indeed often contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic, copper), PCBs, dioxins, and furans, as well as microplastics. Young dolphins are dying because the mother's milk may be poisonous for the same reason. https://phys.org/news/2018-12-toxins-mother-young-european-d... Banned toxins passed from mother to young in European dolphins https://www.poisoningch…

Ah, so just needs an awareness campaign! Even more of a clear moral win then if it doesn't require deception. (also, yikes and tragic)

> Ah, so just needs an awareness campaign!

and machine gun

Re: As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future

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At that point it would be better to supply the demand for fish with fish farms where they are bred to be eaten rather than pulling fish from the ocean. You could (truthfully) advertise as environmentally friendly, you would probably turn a profit, you actually would have fewer toxins than ocean fish, and ocean fish would be proportionally fished less. Much more straightforward of a process than conspiring/bribing cou…

Still few problems with this. - intensive fish farming can lead to environmental issues, such as water pollution from fish waste, excessive use of antibiotics and chemicals, and the depletion of wild fish stocks used for fish feed - some farmed fish species require a substantial amount of wild-caught fish to produce a relatively small amount of farmed fish - the conversion of natural habitats like mangroves and wetla…

>We have to switch to plant based diets.

INCORRECT. We're on the cusp of a revolution in lab-grown fish and meat. It will be healthier, more humane, and better tasting, than the current system.

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