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Good. They should tough it out and grow a pair—of lungs, that is. Living in an aquatic environment has made all the fish grow soft. Time to evolve like the rest of us did. (More seriously, warm ocean dead spots affect more than just fish: I suspect we’ll see a further decline in marine mammals too, for example.)
Free market solves it /s
Aside from Ocean Acidification, uncontrollable Algae Blooms, and Melting Sea Ice, we now have Ocean Deoxygenation on our plates. We also have unprecedented droughts on land as well. Humans really will be the next mass extinction event on this planet. So incredibly selfish.
Acidification is the unavailability to carry hydrogen molecules. The primary hydrogen carrier in water is oxygen. Are deoxygenation & acidification different problem, or different slants on the same problem?
im very much inclined to say these are not problems.
these are symptoms of a larger scale problem, namely an atmosphere pushing thermal bounds beyond global buffering capacity,
and CO2 accumulating beyond biospheric buffering ,and regulation.
I am very interested in using tech to help the ocean. Does anyone have ideas for technical solutions to this?
Increased CO₂ has led to a markedly "greener" planet [3] - the increase was enough to cover the US twice in vegetation by 2016. Those plants produce oxygen during photosynthesis (6 CO₂ + 6 H₂O → C₆H₁₂O₆ + 6 O₂) which is released to the environment (air or water) during daylight hours leading to a higher oxygen concentration. I suspect this balance between higher atmospheric CO₂ which leads to an increase in vegetation which then leads to an increase in oxygen production is what kept ocean life from succumbing due to oxygen deprivation during those periods when the average temperature was much higher than it is now. If this happened then, why would it not happen now?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation#/media/F...
Good. They should tough it out and grow a pair—of lungs, that is. Living in an aquatic environment has made all the fish grow soft. Time to evolve like the rest of us did. (More seriously, warm ocean dead spots affect more than just fish: I suspect we’ll see a further decline in marine mammals too, for example.)
Free market solves it /s
Looks like we are the paper clip optimising narrow AI we’ve all been afraid of after all… We don’t make paper clips though, we’ve optimised to make money and turn everything into it. So ashamed to be part of of it,
Aside from Ocean Acidification, uncontrollable Algae Blooms, and Melting Sea Ice, we now have Ocean Deoxygenation on our plates. We also have unprecedented droughts on land as well. Humans really will be the next mass extinction event on this planet. So incredibly selfish.
Looks like we are the paper clip optimising narrow AI we’ve all been afraid of after all… We don’t make paper clips though, we’ve optimised to make money and turn everything into it. So ashamed to be part of of it,
I'm starting to accept that we are done for. The only thing that gives me hope is that maybe some alien civilization out there in the universe successfully avoided this great filter.
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At that point it would be better to supply the demand for fish with fish farms where they are bred to be eaten rather than pulling fish from the ocean. You could (truthfully) advertise as environmentally friendly, you would probably turn a profit, you actually would have fewer toxins than ocean fish, and ocean fish would be proportionally fished less. Much more straightforward of a process than conspiring/bribing cou…
Still few problems with this. - intensive fish farming can lead to environmental issues, such as water pollution from fish waste, excessive use of antibiotics and chemicals, and the depletion of wild fish stocks used for fish feed - some farmed fish species require a substantial amount of wild-caught fish to produce a relatively small amount of farmed fish - the conversion of natural habitats like mangroves and wetla…
> It seems to me that nothing else will stop the environmental destruction, in this case overfishing, which alone threatens us with empty oceans in 2040's.
There are two things I can say about this:
1) We won't (unless/until forced to).
2) There are other sources of destruction that will continue even if most people switched to a plant-based diet.
Aside from Ocean Acidification, uncontrollable Algae Blooms, and Melting Sea Ice, we now have Ocean Deoxygenation on our plates. We also have unprecedented droughts on land as well. Humans really will be the next mass extinction event on this planet. So incredibly selfish.
