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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by OO000oo » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

happymellon wrote: post #127

OO000oo wrote: post #107

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The current state of Wine Photoshop for the past 5 years is that it's unusable alongside other modern graphics software on modern hardware. The only high dpi version that you can expect to get working is CC2018 and it has a lot of bugs when running on Wine. CS6 runs perfectly and it's an excellent version of Photoshop, but it doesn't support high dpi so you'll have to lower your display resolution until you can read…

This won't help anyone who requires Wine as part of their workflow, I luckily don't, but I understand that Wine should be on target to handle Wayland by the next release early 2024. This will give it proper HiDPI support and Vulkan rendering to help speed things up.

Does that mean CS6 on Wine will then work as if it was a hiDPI application? That would be amazing.

I should also mention CS6 runs fast as hell on Wine. It was so good that when I tried using Linux as my daily driver (before I gave up) I would change my display resolution to use it instead of CC2018.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by OO000oo » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 4:55 PM UTC

mechhacker wrote: post #147

OO000oo wrote: post #82

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It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

Is photoshop absolutely necessary? Krita is a great tool and works with a lot of the graphics tablets on the market (not sure about the ones with a display but maybe?), and I was using it on Linux many years ago. https://krita.org/

Yes. It's an industry standard in any digital art related industry. I know nothing about Krita and don't care to. It's not up to me. We need industry standards. Industry standards are a good thing.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by howinteresting » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 7:55 PM UTC

kaba0 wrote: post #134

howinteresting wrote: post #98

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> No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. Yes, that's what makes sense for a trackpad. Many people want that behavior for their trackpad, and also for their mice to scroll in the traditional direction, which is the opposite that of a trackpad. > That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an a…

> Have you actually tried it out? Not parent commenter, but yes, there is literally a single tick you can turn on to reverse the direction since forever.

Sounds like you haven't tried it out.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by xp84 » Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 8:09 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #62

hollandheese wrote: post #49

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Wait... how'd you get it working on G3 machines? As far as I know, 10.4 was the last release for G3s.

Apple is pretty famous for dropping machines before they absolutely have to.

Yup get ready for the Mac Pro that was on sale at full price until a few weeks ago at $7000 to be removed from the compatibility list for whatever comes after Sonoma.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by bombcar » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 12:02 AM UTC

xp84 wrote: post #164

bombcar wrote: post #62

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Apple is pretty famous for dropping machines before they absolutely have to.

Yup get ready for the Mac Pro that was on sale at full price until a few weeks ago at $7000 to be removed from the compatibility list for whatever comes after Sonoma.

Lucky someone will make an installer that works for quite awhile until they change their processor again :)

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by happymellon » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 3:36 PM UTC

OO000oo wrote: post #161

happymellon wrote: post #127

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This won't help anyone who requires Wine as part of their workflow, I luckily don't, but I understand that Wine should be on target to handle Wayland by the next release early 2024. This will give it proper HiDPI support and Vulkan rendering to help speed things up.

Does that mean CS6 on Wine will then work as if it was a hiDPI application? That would be amazing. I should also mention CS6 runs fast as hell on Wine. It was so good that when I tried using Linux as my daily driver (before I gave up) I would change my display resolution to use it instead of CC2018.

That is a great question that I have absolutely no idea about.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by Aldo_MX » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 10:50 PM UTC

KennyFromIT wrote: post #71

So other than less battery performance, what other notable differences should I expect from Fedora on M2 vs the native MacOS. (I'm not being snarky, just trying to get a feel for how similar I should expect the performance and peripheral support to be; not focused on differences between gnome and the MacOS UI)

There's a matrix where you can find which hardware is supported in a specific model: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support

My non-educated guess is that the hardware currently in WIP (like Thunderbolt or DP Alt Mode) is the one they'll release at the end of August.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by Aldo_MX » Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 11:01 PM UTC

mixmastamyk wrote: post #72

Can you install it without connecting to Apple/iCloud first? Like from flash drive to obliterate macOS, or does a partition have to be kept around still?

Apple requires a hardware activation, especially if you forgot to sign out from Find My Mac before a factory reset. So the answer is no.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by thebitstick » Wed, Aug 09, 2023, 11:32 PM UTC

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #65

andrekandre wrote: post #22

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> how awful macOS is just curious, but what parts are awful? customization? or just generally bugs?

I could live with it but the keyboard shortcuts are generally worse than Linux. https://gist.github.com/NayamAmarshe/c8dfabefc5a25df518edd34...

I have the opposite opinion for macOS shortcuts vs Linux/Windows/IBM shortcuts.

Practically everything is handled with Cmd, with Option/Shift/Control being modifiers. It's the exception if something is handled exclusively with Option/Shift/Control, example being web browsers and Finder for tabs. Text selection is superior in macOS, and anyone who argues PgUp/PgDn/Home/End being a better solution in combination with Shift and Ctrl is insane. Depending on the port of a 3rd-party application, it may adopt macOS shortcuts and be consistent with everything else, or keep IBM/Windows-style shortcuts and break compatibility with other apps.