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Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by shrimpx »

TylerE wrote: post #146
cubefox wrote: post #98

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ChatGPT (instruction tuned autoregressive language models) indeed already seems quite general (it's good at conversation Turing tests without faking it like ELIZA), even if the absolute intelligence is limited. Level of generality and intelligence is not the same. Something could be quite narrow but very intelligent (AlphaGo) or quite general but dumb overall (small kid, insect). Okay, ChatGPT is only text-to-text, b…

One distinction I would make is that at true AGI should have internet access and be able to query for updated information, instead of being stuck in the time moment it's trained.

True AGI should have a personality, tastes, opinions, and feelings; and negotiate its role in a social hierarchy.

Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by kgwgk »

shireboy wrote: post #25

Going to have to start following this Derek Lowe guy. He also had a good balanced bit on room temp superconductor. Well done science reporting without the hyperbole.

I used to read his blog regularly and his name in the submission title is what caught my attention. It has been removed for some reason - not an improvement in my opinion.

Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by shrimpx »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #77
azinman2 wrote: post #73

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We’re not getting AGI anytime soon…

What exactly is your definition of a AGI? Because we’re already passing the Turing test, and so I have to wonder if this isn’t just moving the goalposts.

How do you pass the Turing test with “As an AI, I don’t have opinions and I don’t know shit after September 2021”

The idea that GPT4 passed the Turing test is preposterous unless the test is a much more restricted version of what I think it is — in which case it would be meaningless.

Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by Workaccount2 »

mattbuilds wrote: post #145
algoatecorn wrote: post #136

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Aren't we all just performing probablistic decision paths in our own minds? Would "feelings" improve decision accuracy in artificial systems?

Obviously we can’t prove this, but my instincts are that we don’t do things with probabilistic decision paths. Not very scientific of me, but I just don’t buy that’s how we make decisions.

There really isn't room for much else.

Decisions making in our universe is a 1-dimensional slider between deterministic and random. That's it.

Write a program that makes non-deterministic, non-random (or any combination) decisions. You can't. It's like asking to create a new primary color.

Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #132
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #77

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What exactly is your definition of a AGI? Because we’re already passing the Turing test, and so I have to wonder if this isn’t just moving the goalposts.

Self consciousness. Human-level of reasoning. Feelings, etc. We are NOT close to AGI. * Fancy Markov chain (LLM) is not AGI. * Stable diffusion style of image generation is NOT AGI. * Fancy computer vision is NOT AGI. Honestly, I don't think we are any closer to AGI. What we are seeing is the peak of "fancy tricks" for computer generated artifacts.

Look carefully at these goals and tell me if these are materially falsifiable. Can you imagine a test that determines whether or not a system has self consciousness?

If such a test exists we could interrogate if a system of some design might pass it, but if such a test does not exist and we cannot even imagine it then you’re talking about something that is unfalsifiable - which is another way of saying “effectively fake”.

Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by khazhoux »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #132
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is your definition of a AGI? Because we’re already passing the Turing test, and so I have to wonder if this isn’t just moving the goalposts.

Self consciousness. Human-level of reasoning. Feelings, etc. We are NOT close to AGI. * Fancy Markov chain (LLM) is not AGI. * Stable diffusion style of image generation is NOT AGI. * Fancy computer vision is NOT AGI. Honestly, I don't think we are any closer to AGI. What we are seeing is the peak of "fancy tricks" for computer generated artifacts.

I would say that self-conciousness and feelings are not requirements for AGI. But reasoning certainly is.

Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by oefnak »

shrimpx wrote: post #151
TylerE wrote: post #146

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One distinction I would make is that at true AGI should have internet access and be able to query for updated information, instead of being stuck in the time moment it's trained.

True AGI should have a personality, tastes, opinions, and feelings; and negotiate its role in a social hierarchy.

Which will obviously be on top.

Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by 98codes »

TylerE wrote: post #146
cubefox wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT (instruction tuned autoregressive language models) indeed already seems quite general (it's good at conversation Turing tests without faking it like ELIZA), even if the absolute intelligence is limited. Level of generality and intelligence is not the same. Something could be quite narrow but very intelligent (AlphaGo) or quite general but dumb overall (small kid, insect). Okay, ChatGPT is only text-to-text, b…

One distinction I would make is that at true AGI should have internet access and be able to query for updated information, instead of being stuck in the time moment it's trained.

I'd say the opposite -- compare it to us: if you take away our internet we get cranky, but we don't lose all ability to think intelligently.

Re: A New Mode of Cancer Treatment

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Post by TylerE »

98codes wrote: post #159
TylerE wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One distinction I would make is that at true AGI should have internet access and be able to query for updated information, instead of being stuck in the time moment it's trained.

I'd say the opposite -- compare it to us: if you take away our internet we get cranky, but we don't lose all ability to think intelligently.

Imagine if someone took away your speech, hearing, TV, radio, newspaper, and the ability to order new books - you only had access to the knowledge you already have. You're only allowed to communicate via serial terminal, and can only respond, not initiate.
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