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Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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Assuming they discovered a low cost, room temperature, room pressure, superconductor, there are many HUGE technological advancements that can be made that would impact your daily life. Possibilities include improved battery longevity in all devices(probably in an order of magnitude), low friction transport improvements (ie. cheaper high speed rail), and faster and higher bandwidth wired connections. https://en.wikipe…

> improved battery longevity No > probably in an order of magnitude Absolutely not. > Low friction transport improvements This material is superconductive at 110K (-163C). Not exactly usable for transport applications. > faster and higher bandwidth wired connections. Absolutely not, resistance has no impact on bandwidth. I've seen variations of this comment on hacker news. Superconductors are not magic dust to make t…

as always the smart comment, ignore ant, them all

Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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Everyone agree. Oversimplifying, there are 3 categories to classify the initial team: 1) A bunch of clowns. 2) Interesting 3) Next Nobel prize winners I think they had a good reputation in the community, so the opinion of the hivemind was to discard 1. But there was still the possibility of a honest mistake or something weird. If this post is correct, other team confirmed that they discovered a new family of "high te…

I disagree. First, there have been many RESPECTED scientists who have thrown it all away for fraud. This happened RECENTLY with retracted papers on near-ambient superconductors so you should be wary. Just like cold fusion claims. So it’s possible at least one of these did, too. Another possibility is they fooled themselves (see Feynman’s quote) and maybe one of them faked data to help garner credit. Secondly, there i…

I agree that 1) is not discarded, it's never discarded. From scam to honest mistakes, sloppy handling, weird unexpected things, ... I'm just saying that if I has to guess, it's probably not 1).

There is middle ground. They may have discovered a new kind of (not room temperature) superconductor that is an achievement. It's good to publish a few papers, but we would not be discussing it all week.

Another middle ground is it is a superconductor at -15°C (5°F). That's not room temperature unless you live in Antarctica and forgot to close the window. But it's freezer temperature that is much cheaper than liquid nitrogen or liquid helium.

Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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Huge news. This means it is not a scam as a discovery of this type of superconductor would be big enough. It also means it is unlikely they were measuring wrong for multiple years. My layman take is that Korean sample is just a better or different batch that is properly superconducting at room temperature.

As a layman, how do you know this is huge?

Some potential applications for disruption:

Sub-sea cables that are the size of current fiber-optic bundles, which can transmit terawatts of energy with minimal/no losses. The bottom of the ocean is, ironically, at much higher pressure than atmosphere and would actually help increase the tolerances for superconductivity. This means: areas that have abundant power resources can export it with minimal infrastructure costs. Installing the transmission lines in this manner would be orders of magnitude cheaper than current high voltage DC transmission, and could likely bridge entire continents together. The #1 hold back on offshore wind is getting the energy from the farm to the onshore landing point. The energy loss and step-up/step-down transformers, with maintenance on those in kind, can be 30-40% of the project cost. You can also eliminate expensive and inefficient transformers on both ends since you can leave the voltage at generation-levels vs stepping it up to hundreds of thousands of volts in order to transmit it, which adds a lot of complexity. Under-utilized Hydroelectric capacity in northern Quebec could power Southern US states.

The carry on from this in terms of the reduction in required infrastructure for power transmission and delivery is massive. Think of all the copper and aluminum required today to build huge transformers, step up and step down electricity, and get it from the generation plants to your home or business. You could effectively power an entire household on a cable the size of a fishing line compared to cables the size of a sharpie.

The same applies to electronics - if there is a way to use this superconductor in transistors and microchips - the heat loss from operation could be reduced to nil, meaning you can have a chip with little/no thermal loss while operating. This eliminates the need for expensive cooling (again, typically copper or aluminum) and also all the complexity/cost associated with that. The power consumption of these chips is typically a result of the electricity losses as the current is driven into the chip at low voltage. Less thermal waste means much higher efficiency chips, which means less power required to operate them, which means much less consumption (and battery required to supply it). Mobile phones built with superconducting components and chips could last weeks on a standard battery since almost all the power consumption would be the radio, speakers and the screen.

Since the superconducting temperature claimed by the initial team (127 °C) is much higher than most ambient temperatures, this means the potential applications are essentially anywhere outside of a heat source.

Batteries and battery packs could be miniaturized to some extent - reducing transmission losses and eliminating heat on low voltage power means you can reduce the amount of copper required in a battery pack, and inside the battery itself, by a significant margin. This leads to lighter batteries out of the gate. Coupled with lighter cables to carry the power and lighter/cooler electronics to manage and distribute that power and manage the heat - the weight savings could be very significant.

The potential for miniaturization and displacement of heavy/expensive/bulky traditional conductors is very large and not possible to understate.

Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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How is it exciting? It invalidates the original claim. We already have better SC.

It doesn't invalidate the original claim, as they haven't been able to make a pure sample to test with, as I understand it. Or at least that there is some difference between their samples and the others, but still it shows promise.

If they've made a novel superconductor, then that's pretty huge anyway, it opens new pathways for exploration, right?

Maybe it helps unlock the secret of what makes a superconductor superconduct, which could then be used to make other, more useful superconductors

Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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Oh man, you are in for a treat! This was a terrific read even though I probably only understood 1/3rd of it. Ignition! By John D. Clark https://www.amazon.com/Ignition-audiobook/dp/B07CTW1M9D/ref=... Or, maybe you’ve already read it, in which case: great job. Maybe someone else will see this comment and enjoy it. I don’t want to spoil if for you, but I loved the last paragraph. I believe a new heroic age for the fiel…

Oh dang! This has been on my reading list for years! Definetly looking forward to checking it out!!!

My last chemistry class was in high school, so I had to glide over a lot of the details. But the story is still awesome even with liberal skimming of chem reaction details.

This book is probably helping me cope with the extreme confusion of all the various LK-99 attempts. Like, it's going to be a hugely messy confusion and slog with lots of results that are "blend-A can meet 5 of the 7 requirements, but not the important ones. blend-B can meet 3 of the 7, but one of the important ones. blend-C looks very promising but doesn't quite meet any of the requirements." for... years.

Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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I disagree. First, there have been many RESPECTED scientists who have thrown it all away for fraud. This happened RECENTLY with retracted papers on near-ambient superconductors so you should be wary. Just like cold fusion claims. So it’s possible at least one of these did, too. Another possibility is they fooled themselves (see Feynman’s quote) and maybe one of them faked data to help garner credit. Secondly, there i…

I agree that 1) is not discarded, it's never discarded. From scam to honest mistakes, sloppy handling, weird unexpected things, ... I'm just saying that if I has to guess, it's probably not 1). There is middle ground. They may have discovered a new kind of (not room temperature) superconductor that is an achievement. It's good to publish a few papers, but we would not be discussing it all week. Another middle ground…

> Another middle ground is it is a superconductor at -15°C (5°F). But it's freezer temperature that is much cheaper than liquid nitrogen or liquid helium.

I suspect this will make MRI machines much cheaper than they are currently and will radically improve the healthcare for many.

You got me thinking about the viability of superconductor-based EV motors that are cooled by compressed gas refrigeration; drink chillers might come standard on EVs since you'll be having beefier compressors than for just climate-control

Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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Everyone agree. Oversimplifying, there are 3 categories to classify the initial team: 1) A bunch of clowns. 2) Interesting 3) Next Nobel prize winners I think they had a good reputation in the community, so the opinion of the hivemind was to discard 1. But there was still the possibility of a honest mistake or something weird. If this post is correct, other team confirmed that they discovered a new family of "high te…

I disagree. First, there have been many RESPECTED scientists who have thrown it all away for fraud. This happened RECENTLY with retracted papers on near-ambient superconductors so you should be wary. Just like cold fusion claims. So it’s possible at least one of these did, too. Another possibility is they fooled themselves (see Feynman’s quote) and maybe one of them faked data to help garner credit. Secondly, there i…

From my understanding the first paper was published without authorization. So it was likely they were not ready for it to be published. So 2) still seems possible to me. Like what if the team was it seems like we have a room temperature super conductor we need to do more work to be 100% sure though, and then someone then just goes and publishes your rough draft. It could still just be something interesting, and not fraud.

-EDIT- Like if the first paper was not released as is let's say after their testing it turns out to not be room temperature and ambient pressure. They could have easily revised their paper to be about new class of super conducting material ect.... or just not published the paper if it was dud.

Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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HVDC and HVAC transmission lines already only see single digit transmission losses over hundreds of miles This has bigger implications in reducing wiring (and weight) costs in things like electric vehicles. Instead of fat finger diameter 20' copper cables, you could replace them with tooth floss.

> HVDC and HVAC transmission lines already only see single digit transmission losses over hundreds of miles Quite a bit of the world is thousands of miles from sunlight at any particular time. Being able to power Northern Europe off solar farms in the Sahara has the potential to fix a number of challenges with green energy.

Morocco has been working on this plan for ages. Coast to coast (~3000 miles) in the US is much less than 9%. It's possible with current technology, just nobody has the inclination to execute right now.

Re: LK-99: Team of Southeast University observed zero resistance below 110 K

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Amusingly, some friends asked me about it shortly after the original announcement. I'm not a superconductor person, but I am a materials person. My response was, basically, the biggest risk (after toxicity) "is that they got lucky and there are subtle things they did that aren't in the recipe which will turn out to have been critical." I've done a lot of materials research. It's pretty likely that they got lucky on a…

Exactly my take. The big question for me is whether or not they haven't accidentally included some contamination that makes all the difference or whether or not the geometry of the placement of the atoms is controlled tightly enough and whether either of those is going to make a huge difference in the outcome. And then there are a hundred different process errors that could have similar effects. This could take a whi…

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