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Remains of Chihuahua-Sized Dog Unearthed at Roman Britain Villa

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Eww? Lots of nobles kept kennels.

I think kragen is joking that with amount of dogs found one could just as well argue that the dogs were livestock and not pets.

right, and typically nobles kept kennels of hunting dogs

(as the article points out, though, conspicuous consumption with show dogs is also a possibility)

in any case once you have a kennel full of dogs, they mostly aren't beloved pets anymore

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smithsonian on this discovery: > The tiny pup was likely a beloved pet, not an animal bred for hunting or herding uhh those aren't the only three possibilities tho wikipedia on the history of actual chihuahuas: > In a letter written in 1520, Hernan Cortés wrote that the Aztecs raised and sold little dogs as food. and in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xoloitzcuintle : > Sixteenth-century Spanish accounts tell of large…

The illustration in the article looks a bit like a turnspit dog too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnspit_dog

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I don't get saying that is has legs and body like a dachshund and then conclude that its not the body of a hunting dog. Dachhunds whole layout is how it is to facilitate hunting.

Huh, I had no idea they were originally a hunting dog.

From this very bias source, but has a decent amount of information: https://www.dachshundstation.com/hunting-dachshunds/

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So a puppy? >This, along with the fact that she might have even been buried with her owner, makes it far more likely that she was kept as a house dog Based on certain details we're lacking, this is either heartwarming or disturbing.

I would have liked to see the article address this. I think it is pretty easy for an osteologist to tell if a mammal is mature based on the fusion of the long bones, but I'd be interested to hear more.

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Yeah that seems like a politically motivated conclusion. Most of the modern small dog breeds were originally bred to do things like hunt badgers in small burrows. It was probably so in the past as well, even if those reasons have been lost to time.

> politically motivated conclusion I... think the relevant politics are a bit obsolete.

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smithsonian on this discovery: > The tiny pup was likely a beloved pet, not an animal bred for hunting or herding uhh those aren't the only three possibilities tho wikipedia on the history of actual chihuahuas: > In a letter written in 1520, Hernan Cortés wrote that the Aztecs raised and sold little dogs as food. and in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xoloitzcuintle : > Sixteenth-century Spanish accounts tell of large…

> how would you distinguish beloved pets from food animals? well, plausibly by quantity, or by the form of burial. perhaps the villa only had one or two lap dogs?

The context of the burial is always important. The bones from cooked animals would most often end up in huge quantities in a midden rather than buried alone or with their owners. Any objects found with the remains like a collar or harness are also useful details.

The condition of the skeleton itself usually tells the story: pets are generally in the best shape. Beasts of burden have signs of repetitive stress while animals that were eaten most often have cut marks on their bones where tools were used to clean the carcass and prepare the meat. An animal like a dog might be prepared bone-in so the chemistry of the bones themselves can also indicate whether they were cooked or not.

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I don't get saying that is has legs and body like a dachshund and then conclude that its not the body of a hunting dog. Dachhunds whole layout is how it is to facilitate hunting.

I don't get saying it has the legs and body like a dachshund and then saying it's "Chihuahua-sized"

Why not just say "Dachshund-like"?

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I don't get saying that is has legs and body like a dachshund and then conclude that its not the body of a hunting dog. Dachhunds whole layout is how it is to facilitate hunting.

I don't get saying it has the legs and body like a dachshund and then saying it's "Chihuahua-sized" Why not just say "Dachshund-like"?

A large boulder the size of a small boulder…

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I don't get saying that is has legs and body like a dachshund and then conclude that its not the body of a hunting dog. Dachhunds whole layout is how it is to facilitate hunting.

Yeah, have these people never heard of ratting? Perfect size dog for that.

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smithsonian on this discovery: > The tiny pup was likely a beloved pet, not an animal bred for hunting or herding uhh those aren't the only three possibilities tho wikipedia on the history of actual chihuahuas: > In a letter written in 1520, Hernan Cortés wrote that the Aztecs raised and sold little dogs as food. and in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xoloitzcuintle : > Sixteenth-century Spanish accounts tell of large…

The illustration in the article looks a bit like a turnspit dog too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnspit_dog

That's fascinating, especially this bit at the end:

The gene for chondrodysplasia in various short-legged breeds has been confirmed to trace back to a single ancestral mutation [presumably from Egypt, as the Egyptians since short legged dogs had been found in Egyptian households dating back thousands of years.

Egypt was also thousands of years in advance of modern pet keeping by quasi-domesticating Ball Pythons.

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