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Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by Octabrain »

favadi wrote: post #100
Octabrain wrote: post #35

After the painful experience I've had with the last ThinkPad I purchased (and before that, a Dell XPS, if Linux reaches a point where widely used distros are able to run on Mac M* flawlessly...personally I'm not gonna think it twice.

Something is very off with ThinkPad development recently. A few years ago, I could pick any T-Series ThinkPad and expect them to have excellent Linux support. My last two ThinkPads have various annoying issues: battery drain when sleeping, trackpoint freezing after a while, fan kicking in for no reasons. I have used a System76 laptop in the past, everything is working as it should, but the hardware quality is not com…

> battery drain when sleeping, trackpoint freezing after a while, fan kicking in for no reasons.

With the exception of the trackpoint freezing I've had exactly those issues. I even had to send the laptop to the repair service because the battery thing was unbearable.

I was tempted to get a System76 but went for a ThinkPad mostly due to fear of the unknown. Lesson learned, I guess.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by torstenvl »

TheDong wrote: post #109
torstenvl wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how people hate macOS. There are some frustrations (e.g., rapid deprecation of things like GC'd Obj-C or 32-bit apps, code signing and notarization) but they pale in comparison to other platforms (glibc compatibility, $500+ code signing certs for Windows/Android, etc.)

> I don't understand how people hate macOS This is hacker news, so presumably we are hackers. I like being able to look into the system I'm running. When I'm seeing a weird network issue, I want to be able to peer into the kernel's tcp stack. When I see an error, I want to be able to add debug statements and understand it. That's easy to do on linux. There's great tooling. That's hard to do on macOS. I run websites a…

> When I'm seeing a weird network issue, I want to be able to peer into the kernel's tcp stack.

https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/tree/xnu-8796...

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by depressedpanda »

kaba0 wrote: post #131
mixmastamyk wrote: post #80

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Has more to do with privacy in my opinion: https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-n... The fact that you can no longer modify the boot volume and disable invasive services is the clincher.

You miss the forest for the trees — fedora also has a version with immutable roots, it is a feature, and is absolutely not meant as anti-privacy, it is there for proper rollbacks and imo it is absolutely superior (with NixOS’s model).

I don't know how it works for Macs, but on Fedora Silverblue you can definitely disable anything you consider to be an "invasive service". Also, if the immutable root comes with software you don't want, you can uninstall it by adding a layer to the root image.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by TheDong »

torstenvl wrote: post #152
TheDong wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand how people hate macOS This is hacker news, so presumably we are hackers. I like being able to look into the system I'm running. When I'm seeing a weird network issue, I want to be able to peer into the kernel's tcp stack. When I see an error, I want to be able to add debug statements and understand it. That's easy to do on linux. There's great tooling. That's hard to do on macOS. I run websites a…

> When I'm seeing a weird network issue, I want to be able to peer into the kernel's tcp stack. https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/tree/xnu-8796...

Okay, now compile your kernel with 'CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y', load it in qemu, and attach gdb so you can step through the code and reason about it.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by a1o »

saagarjha wrote: post #121
a1o wrote: post #31

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I imagine a repurposed MacMini M1 will also be like raspberry pi on steroids.

Being like 20x more expensive helps ;)

It's only 3x the price currently, as raspberry pis are very expensive (and need accessories to work, like good power supply, the good SD card and something to ventilate it, plus a case).

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by e12e »

vbezhenar wrote: post #77
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #3

Battery life would be the big thing, I think. There's not a single person I know who wouldn't like having Linux on their M1/M2 Macbooks--they're beautiful devices--but if you're not getting something approaching MacOS's battery life, then there's not that much separating it from another similarly-specced ultrabook.

I don't care about battery life. By macbook is connected 99% of the time. That said, I'm satisfied with Linux in VM. Especially with Rosetta. It's actually funny that I'd get degraded experience because of the lack of the Rosetta in native Linux.

My main gripe with macOS is awful window management and missing apis to enable improvement (eg managing desktop/screens/workspaces). And no proper sloppy focus/focus follows mouse.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by kaba0 »

depressedpanda wrote: post #153
kaba0 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You miss the forest for the trees — fedora also has a version with immutable roots, it is a feature, and is absolutely not meant as anti-privacy, it is there for proper rollbacks and imo it is absolutely superior (with NixOS’s model).

I don't know how it works for Macs, but on Fedora Silverblue you can definitely disable anything you consider to be an "invasive service". Also, if the immutable root comes with software you don't want, you can uninstall it by adding a layer to the root image.

I am no Mac expert, but it is surprisingly flexible contrary to their image as a walled garden. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some magic incantation to turn off many of those “invasive services”.

For what it’s worth, Plasma’s file indexer is much more invasive in terms of running at the wrong times in my experience, so depending on what one mean, Linux also have similar services.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by mixmastamyk »

kaba0 wrote: post #131
mixmastamyk wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has more to do with privacy in my opinion: https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-n... The fact that you can no longer modify the boot volume and disable invasive services is the clincher.

You miss the forest for the trees — fedora also has a version with immutable roots, it is a feature, and is absolutely not meant as anti-privacy, it is there for proper rollbacks and imo it is absolutely superior (with NixOS’s model).

You have. Doesn’t matter what it’s meant for—the result is what’s important. And having to deactivate sip is a big trade off to improve privacy.

If it were privacy-first and read only, that would be another thing entirely. Defaults matter.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by lotsofpulp »

fomine3 wrote: post #83
lotsofpulp wrote: post #46

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>Part of it is that Apple has the margins that they can spend a little more on parts. This part is duplicated by the business or professional branded products of Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc. I think the part that cannot be duplicated (without very significant time and money) is the tight integration between software and hardware. Even if the other companies spend a little more for the premium components, they are not able to…

Dell/HP/Lenovo competes for price in Windows/Linux laptop market, even for professional lines. There's no competition on macOS laptop market.

I would have thought professionals are not cheaping out on a few hundred dollars for premium components, a negligible fraction of the income earned from the machine.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by spectre3d »

kaba0 wrote: post #134
howinteresting wrote: post #98

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> No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. Yes, that's what makes sense for a trackpad. Many people want that behavior for their trackpad, and also for their mice to scroll in the traditional direction, which is the opposite that of a trackpad. > That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an a…

> Have you actually tried it out? Not parent commenter, but yes, there is literally a single tick you can turn on to reverse the direction since forever.

To be clear, they’re asking about having scrolling on a mouse and trackpad act differently from each other. The System Preferences / System Settings ‘Natural Scrolling’ option affects both mouse and trackpad, even though they’re in different places, and without third-party software it’s not possible to do what the commenter is asking.
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