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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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mixmastamyk wrote: post #80
torstenvl wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how people hate macOS. There are some frustrations (e.g., rapid deprecation of things like GC'd Obj-C or 32-bit apps, code signing and notarization) but they pale in comparison to other platforms (glibc compatibility, $500+ code signing certs for Windows/Android, etc.)

Has more to do with privacy in my opinion: https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-n... The fact that you can no longer modify the boot volume and disable invasive services is the clincher.

You miss the forest for the trees — fedora also has a version with immutable roots, it is a feature, and is absolutely not meant as anti-privacy, it is there for proper rollbacks and imo it is absolutely superior (with NixOS’s model).

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by kaba0 »

bodge5000 wrote: post #118
walthamstow wrote: post #114

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Where did you get those numbers? By my reckoning the upgrade would cost you net about £700 brand new and the upgraded machine could last the rest of the decade. Buy the model I have, the 16gb 512gb M1 Air at £1400 new (or ~£1100 new-ish on eBay). Keep both for a few weeks, transfer your stuff over, then sell your 8gb 256gb M1 Air for ~£700.

The numbers for the standard upgrade were from a quick search on amazon (2TB NVME = £100, 32gb DDR4 = £50), and for the MacBook was just the cheapest I could find for the closest specs (£3,500 would actually only get me 1TB storage, that's just the most apple has for a laptop it seems). 1TB would be the minimum for me, especially spending that kind of money. Also I doubt I'd get £700 for my MBA, seeing as that's how…

Why wouldn’t you factor in the money you get for selling the current one? It is not an upgrade otherwise.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by kaba0 »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #92
weikju wrote: post #74

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On the other hand, in a terminal, I can use Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V/etc for their intended (in-terminal) purposes and Cmd-C/Cmd-V/etc for their intended (macOS-wide) purposes...

On Linux you don't need a separate key though. Ctrl + Shift is all you need.

Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? It should be the same, and macs actually got it right. The first time I had a mac (from an employer), I was annoyed by it, but it is the superior way. Especially that not all terminal emulators go with ctrl+shift either, so there is also the “let’s copy it with shift, nope, without shift, nope, again, oh I killed the process”.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by kaba0 »

howinteresting wrote: post #98
dealuromanet wrote: post #95

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> Then you realize you want your mouse and trackpad to scroll in reverse directions. No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an app, in the system preferences. > Next, you realize that the Mac app-based cmd-tab sucks and you'd much rather have Window…

> No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. Yes, that's what makes sense for a trackpad. Many people want that behavior for their trackpad, and also for their mice to scroll in the traditional direction, which is the opposite that of a trackpad. > That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an a…

> Have you actually tried it out?

Not parent commenter, but yes, there is literally a single tick you can turn on to reverse the direction since forever.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by kaba0 »

gigatexal wrote: post #53

Honestly Apple should open up the hardware specs and make this easier for devs because I wasn’t in the market for an m1 mini if it was going to run macOS but now with my favorite distro with a remix available?! I’ll give Apple my duckets

I’m like 98% sure that your current hardware has no open specs, why should apple open theirs? Of course, idealistally I am all for it, but realistically that ship has sailed a long time ago, plus most companies have a jungle of patents that disallow them from doing so even if they wanted to.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by fragmede »

kaba0 wrote: post #134
howinteresting wrote: post #98

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> No, I don't. I want it to be like pushing or dragging a virtual piece of paper. That's what it is and how it feels the most natural to me. Yes, that's what makes sense for a trackpad. Many people want that behavior for their trackpad, and also for their mice to scroll in the traditional direction, which is the opposite that of a trackpad. > That being said I'm pretty sure you can already configure this without an a…

> Have you actually tried it out? Not parent commenter, but yes, there is literally a single tick you can turn on to reverse the direction since forever.

Just to be pedantic, natural scrolling was introduced to OS X in 2011 with the release of Mac OS X Lion, 10.7.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by kaba0 »

pengaru wrote: post #97

I'm excited about this despite not owning any Apple hardware, nor intending to own any in the future. Just to see what a mature native Linux port does in terms of performance and battery life numbers. We've had to suffer so much Apple fanboy b.s. ever since Apple Silicon became a thing, touting how special the software optimizations are for making this TSMC node's product so fast and efficient. Let's get a sense of w…

Wtf, it has nothing to do with fanboys, and noone said that software optimizations are the reason why the M-series chips are so good - otherwise why did the intel ones not perform better under macs?

What was highlighted on the software side is the way Rosetta works/performs.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

kaba0 wrote: post #133
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #92

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On Linux you don't need a separate key though. Ctrl + Shift is all you need.

Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? It should be the same, and macs actually got it right. The first time I had a mac (from an employer), I was annoyed by it, but it is the superior way. Especially that not all terminal emulators go with ctrl+shift either, so there is also the “let…

> Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality?

How is it worse? Ctrl + C, Ctrl + D, Ctrl + Z all work as expected in the terminal.

Now you want to copy something, which is obviously not going to work with Ctrl + C, so you just add a Shift to it instead of moving to a totally different key (which you absolutely still could, btw).

The mac way is less efficient & less flexible.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by maccard »

starfallg wrote: post #25
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #20

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I should probably have clarified, there's not a single person I know who uses Linux as their daily driver that wouldn't want the option of having it run on an M1 MacBook. I'll grant that the vast majority of Apple users probably don't care about running Linux on it.

Yeah, all I want for Christmas is just Linux on hardware with good battery life.

I don't own one so Im not speaking from a place of experience, but system76 machines meet that bill.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by kaba0 »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #138
kaba0 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? It should be the same, and macs actually got it right. The first time I had a mac (from an employer), I was annoyed by it, but it is the superior way. Especially that not all terminal emulators go with ctrl+shift either, so there is also the “let…

> Which is much worse - why is it me, the user that have to care about whether I’m in a terminal or a browser window and switch the shortcuts I use for the same functionality? How is it worse? Ctrl + C, Ctrl + D, Ctrl + Z all work as expected in the terminal. Now you want to copy something, which is obviously not going to work with Ctrl + C, so you just add a Shift to it instead of moving to a totally different key (…

No, ctrl+c works one way in the terminal, and a completely other way in every other GUI app. There is no good reason for this arbitrary change in meaning, objectively, otherwise from your logic it would follow that taking a screenshot would be logical in, say, gimp only by pressing ctrl+alt+shift+c, which I hope we can agree would make no sense.
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