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A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Webmasters should really fight back and show annoying popups when the user agent equals Chrome. These popups could nudge the user towards e g. Firefox. Perhaps EFF.org could provide a reference implementation of such popups.

/More/ popovers and popups?

What about just making the site slower?

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Firefox is unusable on Linux. Way too slow. But Brave browser is very snappy. It's the fastest chrome fork, and has great features, like vertical tabs, which have become essential to me.

Firefox is usable on Linux. I'm using it right now, no problems.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Firefox is unusable on Linux. Way too slow. But Brave browser is very snappy. It's the fastest chrome fork, and has great features, like vertical tabs, which have become essential to me.

How is it unusable? I've no issue with Firefox on Linux and you've got multiple options for vertical tabs (Sidebery, Tree Style Tab…).

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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post #21
post #16

Webmasters should really fight back and show annoying popups when the user agent equals Chrome. These popups could nudge the user towards e g. Firefox. Perhaps EFF.org could provide a reference implementation of such popups.

/More/ popovers and popups? What about just making the site slower?

If you're going to do something in protest, people have to know that you're protesting and that you want them to take an action in support of it.

And if you degrade their service, they won't blame Chrome, they'll blame you.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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post #3

The problem is there are almost 0 alternatives beyond Firefox so if you don’t like their UX you’re stuck. All the “new” browsers are just chromium skins (edge, arc, etc.) Are there any real competitors building a new browser?

I have been using Brave for about a year. Dont miss Firefox or Chrome.

Brave is built on chromium. Cool concept, but not a new browser

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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post #3

The problem is there are almost 0 alternatives beyond Firefox so if you don’t like their UX you’re stuck. All the “new” browsers are just chromium skins (edge, arc, etc.) Are there any real competitors building a new browser?

Frankly Firefox is barely a hedge against Chrome. When it comes to things like JPEG-XL they are in lock step with Chrome. Safari ended up being JPEG-XL’s unlikely champion. I kind of wished Apple would release Safari for other platforms again.

I wish Safari would stop breaking the web. Every new iOS version requires me to change how to handle scrolling and fight new position bugs for days/weeks

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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post #16

Webmasters should really fight back and show annoying popups when the user agent equals Chrome. These popups could nudge the user towards e g. Firefox. Perhaps EFF.org could provide a reference implementation of such popups.

Serious question: does the concept of a webmaster still exist in 2023? Sites are developed and built in dtap, deployed by gated processes, and in many instances nobody but the deployment agents have access to the actual production servers.

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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post #18

Firefox is unusable on Linux. Way too slow. But Brave browser is very snappy. It's the fastest chrome fork, and has great features, like vertical tabs, which have become essential to me.

Firefox is my daily driver as is Linux. It is perfectly performant.

From my experience hardware acceleration has been quite lacking on Ubuntu (especially noticeable when watching YouTube).

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aa long as chromium is open source and various entities are able to build and remove/modify anti-user features, i don't see a problem with alternatives being a "skin". If Google makes moves to make it difficult to modify chromium then browser maintainers will quickly migrate to other engines.

Yes, it's not a problem. For now. There are so many software projects that depend on chromium for their basic functionality, and so many users that indirectly rely on chromium. It's hard to switch to an alternative if the need arises. So when Google inevitably turns chromium into a problem, you don't have enough time to switch, no matter how badly you want to. It's time to preventatively switch to a project that's mo…

"Give Firefox's Gecko engine a chance, it has all the features you need."

No, sadly it does not. And then I would be just dependant on mozillas leadership and sadly I do not trust them either.

Ladybird and Kling I would trust, but it is not advanced enough yet. But they are making progress!

Re: A list of recent hostile moves by Google's Chrome team

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Firefox is unusable on Linux. Way too slow. But Brave browser is very snappy. It's the fastest chrome fork, and has great features, like vertical tabs, which have become essential to me.

Firefox on Linux is just fine, no idea what you are talking about. It is fine on Android, too (uBlock Origin!).
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