Anyone that ever belived into the "Do no evil" motto was only fooling themselves, companies only care about their profitability.
Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For
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#82So at the end of the day Google are a full monopoly that can do what they want... Nothing new under the sun.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's wishful thinking. Politicians will never break up Google since they benefit from it.
Fundamentally, Big Tech is an outsized part of what sets America's economy apart. Breaking up any of them would potentially be a footgun.
I agree that big tech is huge part of the American economy.
In the 1900s, Teddy Roosevelt busted up the biggest monopolies and did it boldy. He was a strong believer in capitalism and market forces, and he believed that government had a responsibility to keep market forces working well.
I know we are not in the early 1900s anymore, but I think it is interesting to ponder how the only politicians who dare to say something similar today are the furthest left we can imagine (Bernie Sanders and AOC and the like).
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#84It's time to start lobbying hard for an antitrust breakup of Google. This DRM plan, as abuse of a monopoly position, provides more political coverage for a forced breakup. It's pretty clear how to break up Alphabet, because it grew mostly by acquisition. - Google - search, ads on search pages and nothing more. - DoubleClick - third party ads on other sites. - Analytics - services to web sites. - Cloud - the money-los…
I fully agree with a breakup but arguably other than Search, DoubleClick, and Youtube, none of the others are solvent without ad money. On thing I feel we are still missing is for FSF, Wiki, Archive.org, etc. to effectively gather enough cash to start lobbying in politics and in industry much in the same way Meta and Alphabet do. Politicians/legislators are ridiculously cheap to lobby in the grand scheme of things.
Chrome is probably the best example. I don't really know how people would expect that to be a company or even a division under Alphabet. It's rather unfortunate, because I don't think Google can be trusted to build a browser anymore.
Android is also a weird case. All funding is coming from Google, but the revenue isn't coming from licensing of the OS. Separating out Android and require manufacturers to pay a license wouldn't kill it at this point, but it could fragment the Android market. Like with Chrome, Google isn't the best steward, because their interests are primarily data mining and advertising, but building the best mobile operating system.
DoubleClick, analytics, Youtube and search are the divisions I'd go for if I where a regulator, but there where would Chrome and Android go?
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Chrome - browsers" And the money is coming from where? Chrome exists mostly, so the ad buisness gets more data and they can influence the direction of the web. Seperate that and there will be no more chrome as there is no other source of income. (Except maybe a little bit from ChromeOS). Otherwise I get it, it is mostly politics to threaten google to reach this.: "It's quite likely to make Google dump this proposal,…
Mozilla makes money with Firefox. Brave does with brave. It is not impossible that Chrome could. ChromeOS, default search engine, integrated VPN offering, ... The browser has a monopoly market share, income would be huge fast.
Mozilla makes money from whom? Isn't it like mostly Google?
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#86We all let it come this far, because of how we treat the services Google provides: As nice free and helpful tools. Talking about "Chrome this and that" all the time we forget what that really means, namely: Using the strategic tools of the largest Advertising Agency in the world, that allows them to ever grow their dominance. Chrome, GMail and all that jazz all fit into a global-scale ad-tech framework to push shady…
> Give them a support call. Act like a noob and keep them busy for as long as possible with "It isn't working".
I'm all for grassroots change, but I really don't think that doing this to Tier 1 support staff is going to effect any real change. With all love to my helpdesk folks, what matters is ticket closure metrics and call duration -- an emotional outburst isn't going to change a thing.
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#87Google might have pretended to stood for something, but they have been an evil corporation since they have been a corporation. That's what corporations do by design. One relevant example is that they've been doing the "only for ie5+" with their services for 10+ years now. They killed most of their browser competition not by having a good product, but by having or buying up good services that they used to force chrome…
That’s not how I remembered it. Chrome really was a good browser and I would argue is still a good browser (for now). IE got displaced by Firefox’s predecessors because MS got caught napping - they disbanded the IE team thinking they have won. Firefox simply got outcompeted by Chrome as Google went crazy making it faster and faster. Firefox fell behind often enough that Chrome managed to take almost all of its market…
I think it was clear when they started with Google docs that they were using their browser to get market domination. They offered a free product that people liked, but almost forced them to switch to Chrome. They got entire nations to switch their education tooling to chrome and google docs. Now they keep adding features that enable bad developers to create websites that don't work properly in Firefox and Safari. There's been no change. Chrome has always been part of Google's strategy.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Money for developing chrome is not an issue. Google search could pay chrome to be the primary search engine just like they pay mozilla. Microsoft could fund chromium based on their use in Edge. Etc…
"Microsoft could fund chromium based on their use in Edge. Etc…" Microsoft surely will continue to develope edge. That is my main issue with this thing, because they surely would like to be the one with the dominating browser again and if google has to drop chromium, Microsoft will just overtake it. Antitrust and breakup is not a simple thing to do right.
Then lets break up Microsoft too.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Chrome - browsers" And the money is coming from where? Chrome exists mostly, so the ad buisness gets more data and they can influence the direction of the web. Seperate that and there will be no more chrome as there is no other source of income. (Except maybe a little bit from ChromeOS). Otherwise I get it, it is mostly politics to threaten google to reach this.: "It's quite likely to make Google dump this proposal,…
Money for developing chrome is not an issue. Google search could pay chrome to be the primary search engine just like they pay mozilla. Microsoft could fund chromium based on their use in Edge. Etc…
At that point nothing would stop AdCorp from cutting a deal with the new ChromeCorp that says "you get incentive payments for each page load that presents a remote attestation that no ad blockers are present". It wouldn't be seen as anti-competitive then because there are multiple ad serving companies and multiple browser companies, and anyway, legislators would expect and find it reasonable that browsers only get paid referral fees for page loads that do actually display ads. In fact if it goes to court you might not get what you expect - judges (who likely don't use ad blockers much themselves due to age) might perceive browsers who take ad incentive payments but allow ad blocking to be engaged in fraud.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mozilla makes money with Firefox. Brave does with brave. It is not impossible that Chrome could. ChromeOS, default search engine, integrated VPN offering, ... The browser has a monopoly market share, income would be huge fast.
Mozilla makes money from whom? Isn't it like mostly Google?
https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-202... <-- yes, the biggest part are royalties for search engine placement. Part of that is from Google, likely the biggest part. It's still something that Chrome could do as well.