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Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

hutzlibu wrote: post #41
Animats wrote: post #17

It's time to start lobbying hard for an antitrust breakup of Google. This DRM plan, as abuse of a monopoly position, provides more political coverage for a forced breakup. It's pretty clear how to break up Alphabet, because it grew mostly by acquisition. - Google - search, ads on search pages and nothing more. - DoubleClick - third party ads on other sites. - Analytics - services to web sites. - Cloud - the money-los…

"Chrome - browsers" And the money is coming from where? Chrome exists mostly, so the ad buisness gets more data and they can influence the direction of the web. Seperate that and there will be no more chrome as there is no other source of income. (Except maybe a little bit from ChromeOS). Otherwise I get it, it is mostly politics to threaten google to reach this.: "It's quite likely to make Google dump this proposal,…

Well maybe from search engines, who'd pay to be the default search option? So far, it mostly worked for Mozilla.

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by Lev1a »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #24
zoom6628 wrote: post #9

I lived in china and put effort into de-googling my phone. Now I’m back in the open world and seems need do all over again. Must be a biz opp to run a proxy that strips everything google from pages and web communications. I would pay a few $/month to not be farmed without consent.

Options are Linux, and half broken "phone" or Apple, the hardware is their profit center, as well as getting you to buy their software product, but your info isn't sold to 3rd parties (yet?) or Google (circumvent some of it with firefox+adblock origin) or just don't participate at all and get a flip burner.

> ~~adblock~~ origin

FTFY:

uBlock Origin

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by wds »

IshKebab wrote: post #35
colordrops wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

crazy that they just unashamedly removed it.

I doubt their motivation was "now we want to be evil". Probably more like "evil isn't actually well defined and people keep pointing to this and having dumb arguments about it".

Thankfully, there is an apt definition for evil nowadays: Google.

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by Joeri »

hutzlibu wrote: post #41
Animats wrote: post #17

It's time to start lobbying hard for an antitrust breakup of Google. This DRM plan, as abuse of a monopoly position, provides more political coverage for a forced breakup. It's pretty clear how to break up Alphabet, because it grew mostly by acquisition. - Google - search, ads on search pages and nothing more. - DoubleClick - third party ads on other sites. - Analytics - services to web sites. - Cloud - the money-los…

"Chrome - browsers" And the money is coming from where? Chrome exists mostly, so the ad buisness gets more data and they can influence the direction of the web. Seperate that and there will be no more chrome as there is no other source of income. (Except maybe a little bit from ChromeOS). Otherwise I get it, it is mostly politics to threaten google to reach this.: "It's quite likely to make Google dump this proposal,…

Money for developing chrome is not an issue. Google search could pay chrome to be the primary search engine just like they pay mozilla. Microsoft could fund chromium based on their use in Edge. Etc…

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by onli »

hutzlibu wrote: post #41
Animats wrote: post #17

It's time to start lobbying hard for an antitrust breakup of Google. This DRM plan, as abuse of a monopoly position, provides more political coverage for a forced breakup. It's pretty clear how to break up Alphabet, because it grew mostly by acquisition. - Google - search, ads on search pages and nothing more. - DoubleClick - third party ads on other sites. - Analytics - services to web sites. - Cloud - the money-los…

"Chrome - browsers" And the money is coming from where? Chrome exists mostly, so the ad buisness gets more data and they can influence the direction of the web. Seperate that and there will be no more chrome as there is no other source of income. (Except maybe a little bit from ChromeOS). Otherwise I get it, it is mostly politics to threaten google to reach this.: "It's quite likely to make Google dump this proposal,…

Mozilla makes money with Firefox. Brave does with brave. It is not impossible that Chrome could. ChromeOS, default search engine, integrated VPN offering, ... The browser has a monopoly market share, income would be huge fast.

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by KnobbleMcKnees »

bushbaba wrote: post #46
Animats wrote: post #17

It's time to start lobbying hard for an antitrust breakup of Google. This DRM plan, as abuse of a monopoly position, provides more political coverage for a forced breakup. It's pretty clear how to break up Alphabet, because it grew mostly by acquisition. - Google - search, ads on search pages and nothing more. - DoubleClick - third party ads on other sites. - Analytics - services to web sites. - Cloud - the money-los…

Cloud would be a huge profit maker as YouTube, search, ads would all then pay cloud for hosting. And they’d have no where else to go.

Further, selling GCP to AWS is not how we "break down monopolies".

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by colordrops »

IshKebab wrote: post #35
colordrops wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

crazy that they just unashamedly removed it.

I doubt their motivation was "now we want to be evil". Probably more like "evil isn't actually well defined and people keep pointing to this and having dumb arguments about it".

That doesn't sound like a typical corporate thought process. There is plenty of cognitive dissonance around logos and mottos and whatnot by corporations, and unless it affects the bottom line, they won't do anything about it.

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by JellyYelly »

Joeri wrote: post #54
hutzlibu wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Chrome - browsers" And the money is coming from where? Chrome exists mostly, so the ad buisness gets more data and they can influence the direction of the web. Seperate that and there will be no more chrome as there is no other source of income. (Except maybe a little bit from ChromeOS). Otherwise I get it, it is mostly politics to threaten google to reach this.: "It's quite likely to make Google dump this proposal,…

Money for developing chrome is not an issue. Google search could pay chrome to be the primary search engine just like they pay mozilla. Microsoft could fund chromium based on their use in Edge. Etc…

> Google search could pay chrome to be the primary search engine

This doesn't sound like a good idea if your goal is to prevent these two companies (or divisions of the company) for co-conspiring.

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by Timwi »

robin_reala wrote: post #30
komali2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to proxy, you can just use https://brave.com/ . Add a pihole to strip it from other devices and non-browser web traffic.

Using a browser powered by Google’s technology stack is hardly deGoogling.

I don't really know much about how Brave is made, but you make it sound like they're using proprietary Google libraries, whereas I was under the impression that it was built from open-source software. If I'm right, the fact that this software originally came from Google is immaterial. If it's open source, Brave have full control over what it does and Google has zero.

Re: Google’s Plan to DRM the Web Goes Against Everything Google Once Stood For

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Post by rapnie »

We all let it come this far, because of how we treat the services Google provides: As nice free and helpful tools. Talking about "Chrome this and that" all the time we forget what that really means, namely:

Using the strategic tools of the largest Advertising Agency in the world, that allows them to ever grow their dominance. Chrome, GMail and all that jazz all fit into a global-scale ad-tech framework to push shady ads and slurp in your PII for shady business. Google uses monopolies and oligopolies to force itself into your life. In other words..

Google is SHADY BUSINESS. And that should be the framing to spread about. Always repeating that Google is an advertising giant. Not some trustworthy biz. Zero integrity. So how can Chrome relate to integrity then?

Is your Bank using Google's integrity foo? Give them a support call. Act like a noob and keep them busy for as long as possible with "It isn't working". Until they explain about Integrity + Chrome. Then comes the angry phase: "WHAT? Are you in bed with a SHADY advertising agency?? I thought you were a trustworthy bank."

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