I think caring about ESG, and especially evaluating a company's governance, is important. But I don't know how much I really want BlackRock and Vanguard to be the ones doing the scoring...
Black Rock does NOT own the world, here is why: https://youtu.be/NzKOVVvDGhE?si=Xhog1L_VRtzMsaQ6
Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
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Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#72Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#73Often companies with good ESG scores optimize for having good scores. Its like studying to the test and they may have particularly poor results outside of the test that they have studied for. Also, ESG is political and like all things that involve politics, many things that may be good for the score may be bad for the environment. Easiest example to see is in energy with things like nuclear power, and 'biomass' and c…
Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
What specifically are you talking about?
Here’s Apple’s ESG report: https://s2.q4cdn.com/470004039/files/doc_downloads/2022/08/2... In it they say: “We’re making progress in increasing representation, and currently 50 percent of our workforce in the U.S. is made up of people from underrepresented communities.” “Please see the Appendix on page 81 for more data on representation” Then scroll to page 81. We see that 43% of the company is white (the US is 60% w…
Where do you see that? That's not part of the criteria for my Vanguard ESG fund.
Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#75ESG is tricky to talk about thanks to the politization of it. I work on some projects that involve ESG data and I have some thoughts. First there's LOTS of factors. If you bunch them all up into one number, it becomes meaningless as the article describes. I would think wiser minds would use this data to make investment decisions based on some specific risk, like hedging against some environmental disaster which may a…
Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#76I think caring about ESG, and especially evaluating a company's governance, is important. But I don't know how much I really want BlackRock and Vanguard to be the ones doing the scoring...
Black Rock does NOT own the world, here is why: https://youtu.be/NzKOVVvDGhE?si=Xhog1L_VRtzMsaQ6
Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#77A component of ESG scores is how much you discriminate against white people. So of course you can have a good ESG score yet be a polluter.
Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#78I think caring about ESG, and especially evaluating a company's governance, is important. But I don't know how much I really want BlackRock and Vanguard to be the ones doing the scoring...
I find it hilarious the kind of conspiracy theories people lob at BlackRock and Vanguard. BlackRock maybe I can maybe understand, but Vanguard is like the most straightforward boring investment company in the world. It's literally a shareholder co-op for passive investment funds. People have no idea what they are talking about.
If they spent the same amount of time doing research as they do on concocting inane conspiracies and brainless explanations, they may actually be as smart as they think themselves to be.
Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#79Often companies with good ESG scores optimize for having good scores. Its like studying to the test and they may have particularly poor results outside of the test that they have studied for. Also, ESG is political and like all things that involve politics, many things that may be good for the score may be bad for the environment. Easiest example to see is in energy with things like nuclear power, and 'biomass' and c…
Re: Companies with good ESG scores pollute as much as low-rated rivals
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nuclear power if done safely is a much better alternative than say windmills which require extensive mining to make and kill thousands of birds a year.
You’ll hate cats then https://www.statista.com/chart/15195/wind-turbines-are-not-k...