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What is the date of this Time posting?

Good question, and something I was wondering as well. Wayback machine says it was first indexed in 2017, so I'd go with that.

Right, full project this content is from https://www.1945project.com/ is a documentary project created by Haruka Sakaguchi and published on August 6, 2017.

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#23

"‘What did I do to the Americans?’ she would often say, ‘Why did they do this to me?’" I could imagine a German thinking the same thing during conventional bombings.

Or a Jew on Kristallnacht, or Chinese in Nanjing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough. Given the US-centric nature of HN it was an educated guess, but I was wrong. So which perfect country do you live in?

Oh just give it up already. No country is perfect, got it. There are shades of morality. Got it. Prejudice exists. Got it. Welcome to the realizations most of us attain in our teens. The sanctimonious, smug, self-righteous tone you adopt is so tiresome and you're not revealing anything anyone here isn't already aware of.

As opposed to the comment, "Yikes. Imagine living in a situation where the government of your own country has as much care for your life as the enemy."

...which you're defending as if it isn't smug, self-righteous, tiresome, and obvious?

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It's crazy to think people actually lived through this.

Even crazier that a number of people were a victim of the bomb on Hiroshima, and a few days later also got hit by the bomb on Nagasaki.

And some of them even lived through that.

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>American B-29 bombers dropped leaflets all over the city, warning us that Nagasaki would ‘fall to ashes’ on August 8. The leaflets were confiscated immediately by the kenpei (Imperial Japanese Army) Yikes. Imagine living in a situation where the government of your own country has as much care for your life as the enemy.

> ‘What did I do to the Americans?’ she would often say, ‘Why did they do this to me?’

Seems like they don’t blame their government all that much

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post #26

>American B-29 bombers dropped leaflets all over the city, warning us that Nagasaki would ‘fall to ashes’ on August 8. The leaflets were confiscated immediately by the kenpei (Imperial Japanese Army) Yikes. Imagine living in a situation where the government of your own country has as much care for your life as the enemy.

> ‘What did I do to the Americans?’ she would often say, ‘Why did they do this to me?’ Seems like they don’t blame their government all that much

Imperial Japan was something else, truly. I just finished Dan Carlin's six-part Hardcore History series called "supernova in the east" which covers a lot of context in an attempt to help people like us understand the zeitgeist in Japan at the time. I can't recommend it enough.

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post #23

"‘What did I do to the Americans?’ she would often say, ‘Why did they do this to me?’" I could imagine a German thinking the same thing during conventional bombings.

Or a Jew on Kristallnacht, or Chinese in Nanjing

It’s easy to say “I was a three year old and did not deserve this” but this is what happens in a total war, 3 year olds are rarely the primary targets of bombing but when the scale of conflict is so great their moral weigh becomes a rounding error compared to those who would use them as a shield.

At the start of the war civilian bombing campaigns were unthinkable. By the end they were standard operating procedure.

There hasn’t been a daring war since. Now everyone knows the costs. No one is safe.

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or a Jew on Kristallnacht, or Chinese in Nanjing

It’s easy to say “I was a three year old and did not deserve this” but this is what happens in a total war, 3 year olds are rarely the primary targets of bombing but when the scale of conflict is so great their moral weigh becomes a rounding error compared to those who would use them as a shield. At the start of the war civilian bombing campaigns were unthinkable. By the end they were standard operating procedure. Th…

On reflection I think I have read too much into this one small quote inside the article.

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post #28
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or a Jew on Kristallnacht, or Chinese in Nanjing

It’s easy to say “I was a three year old and did not deserve this” but this is what happens in a total war, 3 year olds are rarely the primary targets of bombing but when the scale of conflict is so great their moral weigh becomes a rounding error compared to those who would use them as a shield. At the start of the war civilian bombing campaigns were unthinkable. By the end they were standard operating procedure. Th…

For that matter in 2023 every single day there is probably at least one three year old whose daddy (or mama) is abruptly taken away for any one of a number of reasons completely opaque to a toddler. Some parents disappear by blind chance, but mostly it happens because some other adult strangers decided that their father or mother needed to be ripped away from them and put in a box somewhere.

The child did nothing to deserve this, but has to live knowing one of the most important people in their lives is rotting away in a cell instead of pushing them on the swing or teaching them to make spaghetti or just being there to help stabilize the family even if it's only financially. It's a wonder that we don't have more instances of anger-fueled violence against prosecutors, defense lawyers and judges by children whose lives were deeply scarred by their deliberately harmful actions.

And before the obvious remarks come about how these parents could have been abusive to the child or deadbeats or otherwise fall far short of being the parent the child needs, well no shit. The appropriately shallow answer to such a shallow remark is that not all convictions are deserved, but this argument is beside the point. The child doesn't comprehend what happened, all they know is the trauma. Trauma for which, if it had happened to anyone else under similarly innocent circumstances would be grounds for millions in damages for the psychological harm caused, but in this case society just collectively shrugs "huh. well that's too bad I guess." And goes about their day.

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