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Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by taylodl »

chickenfeed wrote: post #260

I don't want to totally neg on web dev. But it does suck donkey balls. I've been doing it for years. From writing raw html,to using scripting langs, frameworks and what not. And the amount of time it takes to do not a lot I figure is just a colossal brain drain. We just went on holiday, and all I wanted to do was look up places to go eat and drink, or visit for the day, and most of the sites sucked. Or were out of da…

That's why I suggest for most small business to use Wix. Does your site tend to look like everybody else's? Yes - and that's not necessarily a bad thing, and since it's so easy-to-use and update, customers will appreciate having the up-to-date information they need.

What I'd like to see (maybe it exists, I haven't looked in a while) is something I would market as "Wix Widgets." These would be data-connected widgets where there's some customization to wire-in a REST service call and map the data points to the widget display. This would go a long way to handling the needs for internal-facing web sites every company has these days.

We really need simple solutions for the 90%-95% of web pages out there.

Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by dimmke »

boredumb wrote: post #255
berkes wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on learning HTML Anecdote. Was recently freelancing at a web-agency. They build complex web-apps. Lot's of senior and experienced web-devs there: react, mui, typescript, tailwind, and a large host of backend frameworks under the belt. But when I built a quick PoC using ` ` a few lines of JS and some of the elements used in the article (meter, dialog, details) they were flabbergasted. This was a whole team of experi…

I don't think people realize how CSS3 and HTML5 will do everything they need. And also that no one actually enjoys using a SPA.

CSS3 and HTML5 are not meaningful semantic version numbers anymore and haven’t been for over a decade.

Both CSS and HTML are considered “living standards” now and no longer use version numbers: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/introduction.html#is-...?

Nesting in CSS became broadly supported in Chromium and other evergreen browsers a few months ago. This is a feature that developers have had to use inside of some kind of tool that compiles down to “regular” CSS since 2006. That’s 17 years. 17 YEARS.

And there was no major announcement when it became supported, just a blog post: https://developer.chrome.com/articles/css-nesting/

Even now, it’s not supported by older versions of iOS/mobile Safari which could easily be 15-20% of a large US based websites’ traffic.

Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by jklinger410 »

chickenfeed wrote: post #260

I don't want to totally neg on web dev. But it does suck donkey balls. I've been doing it for years. From writing raw html,to using scripting langs, frameworks and what not. And the amount of time it takes to do not a lot I figure is just a colossal brain drain. We just went on holiday, and all I wanted to do was look up places to go eat and drink, or visit for the day, and most of the sites sucked. Or were out of da…

It's funny how I hear that web platforms are the best and most consistent cross-platform GUI systems, but then building on that system is awful.

So I'm wondering if maybe this is just the nature of GUI. Where you have to give every single instruction, eat up a bunch of cycles, or it simply won't function as cross-platform.

Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by [deleted] »

taylodl wrote: post #281
chickenfeed wrote: post #260

I don't want to totally neg on web dev. But it does suck donkey balls. I've been doing it for years. From writing raw html,to using scripting langs, frameworks and what not. And the amount of time it takes to do not a lot I figure is just a colossal brain drain. We just went on holiday, and all I wanted to do was look up places to go eat and drink, or visit for the day, and most of the sites sucked. Or were out of da…

That's why I suggest for most small business to use Wix. Does your site tend to look like everybody else's? Yes - and that's not necessarily a bad thing, and since it's so easy-to-use and update, customers will appreciate having the up-to-date information they need. What I'd like to see (maybe it exists, I haven't looked in a while) is something I would market as "Wix Widgets." These would be data-connected widgets w…

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Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by treprinum »

kaba0 wrote: post #234
treprinum wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Halting problem is one of the problems that arise from precise mathematical definition and its outskirts. LLMs are all about making sense from unstructured text, i.e. lying on the opposite end of the spectrum where math has no direct way to do anything. So while the poster was sarcastic, they also missed the mark.

The halting theory is analogous to Gödel’s incompleteness theorems and these are fundamental truths to any system. That matrix multiplication that deep learning does is hardly immune to that.

They are fundamental truths to systems based on certain assumptions we are taking for granted, e.g. binary logic (and not e.g. quantum logic), Turing-like computing model etc. Not that deep learning has anything to do with those, but it excels in human-like properties where simple formula-derived math descriptions fail all the time.

Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by jmull »

cassepipe wrote: post #206

I really want to believe in the semantic web, I really want to believe in the ability of the browser to provide me with good default modules with a good default styling, but for now I just have to accept this is not the case. The fact that I have to think about labeling a input (why is this not an attribute ?), not being sure if I should use it as a wrapper of as a sibling with the `for=` attribute... and this is jus…

> For each tag, I have to learn the whole history of its development and make an inquiry about what's the right way to do it nowadays.

That you have to learn the semantics of the tags is inherent in any semantic tagging system. If you don't like that idea then you fundamentally disagree with the idea of the semantic web.

Of course, with any publishing system -- or any system at all -- you're going to need to learn how to use the primitives it provides to use it effectively, so this isn't really about the semantic web.

Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by qwerty456127 »

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #239
qwerty456127 wrote: post #231

Some social networks used to offer rich page customization with Wiki or markup or something like that. And that essentially was the HTML wheel reinvented. Some even offer in-app apps, some even lock whole life oof the whole population in them (e.g. China). A social network with (or without) this essentially is reinventing the wheel of the whole Internet which is made of HTML pages (which are replaced by personal page…

You don't use CSS just to make pages pretty. It is useful for accessibility and user experience as well. Not to mention personalization. Not every page needs to have a carbon copy style of others. CSS is so useful it is almost ridiculous to say HTML never needed it.

> CSS is so useful it is almost ridiculous to say HTML never needed it

I didn't mean CSS is useless, I meant it is not necessary for every website to define their own CSS to look nice and not ugly. The problem is almost no ordinary user knows they can define their own defaults (fonts, background - in browser settings, more complex - in user CSS).

Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by thanatropism »

kaba0 wrote: post #130
KronisLV wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The LLM will look at any .exe and determine if it halts. At that point you'd need an AGI that can figure out something we can't. Edit: but yeah, sarcasm. Nowadays I can't even tell sometimes.

I am 100% sure that parent poster was being sarcastic at the hype around LLMs and how many think they can solve everything, even if said thing is impossible to do, e.g. the halting problem. Do note that the halting problem is fundamentally true, no AGI will realize some new way around, unless are mathematics are flawed to the core.

I remember the hype around XGBoost and Kaggle contests asking to solve problems in prime number theory.

Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by parasti »

cassepipe wrote: post #206

I really want to believe in the semantic web, I really want to believe in the ability of the browser to provide me with good default modules with a good default styling, but for now I just have to accept this is not the case. The fact that I have to think about labeling a input (why is this not an attribute ?), not being sure if I should use it as a wrapper of as a sibling with the `for=` attribute... and this is jus…

For what it's worth, I've found that I almost always want to put the label tag after the input tag. That enables me to select and style the label based on the input state via CSS pseudoclasses.

Re: I'm betting on HTML

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Post by jrm4 »

chickenfeed wrote: post #260

I don't want to totally neg on web dev. But it does suck donkey balls. I've been doing it for years. From writing raw html,to using scripting langs, frameworks and what not. And the amount of time it takes to do not a lot I figure is just a colossal brain drain. We just went on holiday, and all I wanted to do was look up places to go eat and drink, or visit for the day, and most of the sites sucked. Or were out of da…

I do, and I teach it. It's a lot of ridiculous garbage.

I think an aggressive defense of e.g. what "reader mode" does is incredibly important, to the point that I'd support e.g. legislation.

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