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Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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Re: Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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It's an incredibly good predictor of life outcomes.

So is skin color

That changes from society to society, whereas intelligence as a positive predictor of success is universal.

Re: Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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"Both grades and achievement tests are substantially better predictors of important life outcomes than IQ." - https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1601135113 "Table 2 shows the extent to which IQ, standardized achievement tests, and grades explain the variance of outcomes at age 35 in the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, 1979 (NLSY79) data. ... Achievement tests and grades are more predictive than IQ." -…

Even then Borghans concedes that "Grades, scores on achievement tests, and IQ are strongly positively correlated", just not perfectly so. But also compare the meta study of Strenze (2007): http://web.archive.org/web/20200616015146/https://esferaarmi... Page 415: > Meta-analysis demonstrated that parental SES and academic performance are indeed positively related to career success but the predictive power of these var…

Please bear in mind that what little I know about the topic is based on my limited, non-expert (I'm a programmer) readings over the years, eg, dipping into Google Scholar when this topic comes up on HN.

> Even then Borghans concedes that "Grades, scores on achievement tests, and IQ are strongly positively correlated", just not perfectly so.

Sure. There are also strongly positively correlations between how rich your parents are and grades, scores on achievement tests, IQ, and career success.

Before making my earlier HN comment I had found the 2007 paper you cited, and noticed the comment "but there is little evidence of any historical trend in the relationship."

Thing is, I had also found "Investigating Core Assumptions of the “American Dream”: Historical Changes in How Adolescents’ Socioeconomic Status, IQ, and GPA Are Related to Key Life Outcomes in Adulthood" from 2019, at https://web.s.ebscohost.com/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?vid=0&... , which did find a difference - IQ was becoming a less relevant predictor:

] In a nutshell, the U.S. has faced dramatic socioeconomic changes during the last decades. The present findings suggest that for two birth cohorts—born in the early 1960s and in the early 1980s inequalities in educational, occupational, and health-related outcomes, which can be assumed to increase in later adulthood and old age, can be predicted by individual differences in adolescents’ IQ, GPA, and parental SES. The patterns of associations between life-outcomes and parental SES did not vary much, and that of IQ remained largely the same or varied inconsistently between cohorts. However, the observed increased predictive utility of GPA suggests that combined effects of social, economic, and labor-market changes may have increased stratification processes due to individual differences in GPA for adolescents belonging to the 1980s cohort.

This is for the US. They argue that the transition to a service/post-industrial economy combined with the increasing need for a college degree, increases the measure of GPA as a predictive value over intelligence.

It also comments the earlier "studies could not answer questions about whether predictive relations could generalize across cohorts who grew up in different socioeconomic environments."

FWIW, this study was pre-registered, at https://osf.io/hm5pt/ , so there's less chance of p-hacking.

Because of that 2019 paper, I restricted my search to only include papers published in the last few years.

Re: Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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So is skin color

Also in ethnically homogenous countries?

I guess so, looking at South Africa or other African countries where ethnicities with Western features historically got preferential treatment.

Re: Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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I have the opposite conclusion. Many things have existed for millions of years, the vast majority of which are not slow. Therefore, being slow is a pretty terrible survival strategy. And, in practice, you see evidence of this: faster animals routinely kill slower ones.

The oldest living organisms contradict your conclusion. Eg greenland sharks, turtles and sponges.

That’s literally survivorship bias.

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And yet it means very little and is a horrible proxy for what we consider “intelligence”.

It's an incredibly good predictor of life outcomes.

Not as good as parental income.

Re: Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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So is skin color

Also in ethnically homogenous countries?

Which country are you thinking of?

Statistics of course can't work if there is no deviation, but I can't think of a country which is ethnically homogeneous.

Countries with a high degree of homogeneity, like South Korea and Japan, still have their own forms of racism. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_South_Korea says many students "have difficulties maintaining relationships with students who do not share the same nationality background ... because of their classmates' different skin colors".

Re: Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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Delving into a subject slowly and thoroughly often leads to a deeper understanding. This applies to learning new skills, absorbing complex information, or appreciating art and culture. Taking time to explore nuances simply enriches ones experiences.

Re: Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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Interesting mix of pointers in this article. What I was looking for, but could not find in the article, is some more information about time perception [1]. It amazes me to no end that time seems to be passing faster and faster now that I grow older. In my youth, 10 minutes used to take ages, but now a month passes in a blink. If any of you startup guys can find a way to slow this down, I'll buy a subscription. [1] ht…

My years doing the digital nomad thing were pretty slow. 3 months in a foreign country is subjectively way longer than 3 months at home (approx. 2x longer). A change of career/vocation should work the same.

Re: Speed isn’t everything, and slowness may in fact be more beneficial (2017)

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It's an incredibly good predictor of life outcomes.

Not as good as parental income.

When you separate out the results of intelligence on income (they are highly correlated traits), it's actually more impactful.

ie, 1 SD of intelligence dropped on a random person will give them better life outcomes than 1 SD of parental income.

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