i'm just curious what this means for all of us that lied about it, got cleared, and now don't have to lie about it...
Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
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Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tell that to all our infantry who aren't in any danger. Selling used military equipment is not being at war.
They've just off-shored the lives lost. It's not any different than off-shoring manufacturing and poisoning some third world country with the waste chemicals and runoff instead of the homeland.
The lives are being lost because Russians are shooting at them. They're the ones who decided to do that.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope, that's typically a deal breaker. It's the stuff they find out that you didn't want them to know that can get you blocked. The thinking is that if an adversary finds it out, they could use it as leverage against you. I've held clearances in the past and was forthcoming about marijuana use. It largely comes down to the judgement of the investigator. I'm really not surprised that some people have been bounced for…
But the leverage is granted by the CIA being strict in the first place. If it wasn't a condition of denial it wouldn't be a condition of denial and wouldn't hold the leverage power it is meant to curb. Crazy
Good point! I think in the past it would have been a much bigger deal to have past drug use revealed. Think Bill Clinton vs Obama. We've come a long way since, I'm not surprised the IC is just now starting to rethink things a bit.
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
So why is getting shitfaced the night before flying a plane or jumping in a 20 story crane okay but not smoking a joint?
Because cannabis can have effects up to a week after if I remember correctly. And it’s not very predictable. Alcohol is cleared out at a predictable rate and has no effect after a few hours, you’ll just be tired.
To my understanding "being tired" (which is absolutely part of being hungover the next day after a night of heavy drinking) is comparable and according to some sources pretty much equivalent to being "under the influence" in terms of how much it can impair you when operating heavy machinery.
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I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. I use cannabis sometimes but it's more the principal of it. It's a privacy violation and positive results don't actually mean you're intoxicated on the job. What people do in their free time is nobodies business so long as it's not harming other people.
> I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery?
There's a difference between using 2 days ago and testing positive on a piss test, and being actively intoxicated.
Nobody should be intoxicated on the job.
However if they smoked a joint yesterday they shouldn't lose their job today when it's already out of their system.
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
So why is getting shitfaced the night before flying a plane or jumping in a 20 story crane okay but not smoking a joint?
That's the big difference. A breathalyzer tells if you're right now actively impaired. Cannabis tests simply show that sometime in the past 30 days you smoked. Doesnt show active impairment. But the real reason why cannabis was so heavy handed criminalized was because it was a "black, hippie, and anarchist" drug. https://www.aclu.org/issues/smart-justice/war-marijuana-blac... We might actually be turning that around,…
Mouth swabs are a more reasonably analog to breathalyzers for cannabis, although even with those the detection period can be up to 48-72 hours. But still, much better than the months long detection period for the more common urine tests.
My hope is once its legalized fully, more effort can be put into researching and designing more sensitive tests until we have something that is equally as capable as breathalyzers are(which is questionable in and of itself, but I'll settle for equal treatment under the law for now rather than aiming for perfection).
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. I use cannabis sometimes but it's more the principal of it. It's a privacy violation and positive results don't actually mean you're intoxicated on the job. What people do in their free time is nobodies business so long as it's not harming other people.
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I'll keep taking advantage of my "privilege" to not participate in injustice.
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#208I'm assuming this is only because it's getting harder and harder to find qualified people and adding on unreasonable constraints is only making the situation worse.
*qualified people who are willing to accept the GS pay band
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
You may want to look up WW1 & WW2 or even Ukraine ... The US isn't in war. No declarations have been made. No draft is required. No war shortages exist.
Oh, man, is this what the future looks like? We provide the weapons, get other countries to do the fighting, wash our hands clean of the whole thing and call our global adventures not-wars as long as we can still buy gas and toilet paper? Somehow, this euphemistic imperialism of proxy wars feels even sketchier... at least the old empires were honest about their intent. Today it's Ukraine, tomorrow Taiwan, and then wh…
You can call a spade a spade but if you did a hole with a backhoe that backhole doesn't magically become a spade.
I'm a bit confused on how you think the USA got Ukraine to do the fighting considering Russia invaded (did USA pay off Russia to invade?). But regardless, yes Ukraine is at war and USA is not. It's just like if I drove to the dry cleaners and had them wash something. I didn't wash it; I'm not a dry cleaner. Playing the dry cleaners money or etc doesn't change that fact.
> Our constant involvement in cyclical non-wars sure doesn't feel the same as "peace" to me. Maybe that word just doesn't mean what I think it does anymore
I mean my whole argument is that you're using war to describe something that isn't so I guess this makes two of us.
> Or maybe we have our tentacles in so many places that warmaking and peacemaking have become indistinguishable.
Yes, because the USA is not at war. Russia warmakes with Ukraine so Ru & UA are at war and efforts by other countries China/USA/etc would likely be peacemaking efforts because China/USA/etc aren't at war. If USA declared war on Russia then it'd be a warmaking effort.
> The world is our mercenary.
Which countries did the USA hire to fight another one? That's also a word not being used correctly.
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. I use cannabis sometimes but it's more the principal of it. It's a privacy violation and positive results don't actually mean you're intoxicated on the job. What people do in their free time is nobodies business so long as it's not harming other people.
> I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery?
> Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery?
As long as they are rested and alert when on the job, there is zero reason to care what they do in their private time off.