Earlier quoted context omitted.
The United States is constantly at war. If spying prevents war, it's not working. LOL...
No, we're not in a war. Thanks Biden. What's your counterfactual?
Proxy wars are still wars.
Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
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Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#162There's probably a heckuva natural experiment enabled by this change. By surveying pot usage and comparing it with earlier responses during lie detector exams, it may be possible to tease out about how many people were confident they could consistently beat the polygraph (probably because they knew or suspected polygraphs don't work).
It could generate more data to finally help prove that polygraphs, which largely rely on subjects believing they work, are pointless because so many people already know they don't.
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spying prevents war. It's easier to get into a war if you don't really understand each other. Not to mention if you don't know who has missiles pointed at you.
The United States is constantly at war. If spying prevents war, it's not working. LOL...
You may want to look up WW1 & WW2 or even Ukraine ...
The US isn't in war. No declarations have been made. No draft is required. No war shortages exist.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm saying spying doesn't really seem to prevent war in the modern era. When inconvenient, intelligence gets ignored. When it lines up with the party narrative, it gets exaggerated and used to fan the flames, then thrown back under the bus after the dust settles. Meanwhile all that capability gets turned against us, surveilling US citizens instead.
Who is pointing the CIA and NRO at you?
The CIA.
They have a history of attacking American citizens for constitutionally protected acts like anti-war activism.
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Mormonism is perfect for raising little worker bees. Mormonism deeply values work ethic and breeds a strong trust of authority. You're taught at an early age questioning authority is a sin and doing what your leaders tell you is the right thing to do. The end result is a group of people who are hard working, don't question leadership, and do what they are told.
That sounds dangerous as hell. No one should live that way. If you aren't allowed to question leadership and are instead expected to do "what you are told", then all the experiments and horrors studies on group think are a reality at a dangerous level [1][2][3] What if you think an order is dangerous and have good reasons why? Good leadership needs to know what the ground-level knows, they need good input and questio…
There's a reason the Stanford Prison Experiment was never published in a peer review paper. It was garbage science with a lot of problems.
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#166I remember when I was in the Navy, running a nuclear power plant on a ship that carried nuclear weapons, and the Chief of the Boat regularly showed up to work so drunk he couldn't speak (having driven himself to work) and everyone ignored it and when juniors complained seniors threatened to fabricate charges against them to shut them up, and listening to that guy scream and yell about how anyone who smokes cannabis i…
I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. I use cannabis sometimes but it's more the principal of it. It's a privacy violation and positive results don't actually mean you're intoxicated on the job. What people do in their free time is nobodies business so long as it's not harming other people.
> I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there.
Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery?
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#167There's probably a heckuva natural experiment enabled by this change. By surveying pot usage and comparing it with earlier responses during lie detector exams, it may be possible to tease out about how many people were confident they could consistently beat the polygraph (probably because they knew or suspected polygraphs don't work). It could generate more data to finally help prove that polygraphs, which largely re…
People who previously lied about usage probably won't admit it now, because lying in itself, regardless of reason, is grounds for losing your security clearance.
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm saying spying doesn't really seem to prevent war in the modern era. When inconvenient, intelligence gets ignored. When it lines up with the party narrative, it gets exaggerated and used to fan the flames, then thrown back under the bus after the dust settles. Meanwhile all that capability gets turned against us, surveilling US citizens instead.
Who is pointing the CIA and NRO at you?
Why specifically them? The article mentions the NSA as well, which has done its fair share of domestic spying. As a taxpayer, it doesn't really matter to me how those lines are drawn, how budget/intel/personnel flow between them, what they call a mass surveillance program in any given decade, etc. In my short life, they've failed to prevent an attack, failed to prevent two major wars of false pretenses, failed to foresee, much less prevent, a major Russian invasion...
Has the intelligence community, regardless of agency, actually prevented any recent wars? Or why do you believe that "spying prevents war"?
Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies
#169Frankly, I'd have to be high to accept a job in the intelligence community. I was recruited once in college, got a bad feeling and never regretted it for a second. Democracies shouldn't have giant unaccountable spy orgs.
>Democracies shouldn't have giant unaccountable spy orgs.
They don't but there are definitely some bad, unaccountable people and parts to it though.
Individuals are generally accountable but it's going to look unaccountable when the nation also wants to do the things the spy org is doing.
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It’s ironic that the CIA may ask people to travel to countries where alcohol is illegal but don’t disqualify for it.
I mean, typically spying in another country is outright illegal, so the CIA is asking you to commit crimes in other countries as a matter of course.
Yes, I suppose the drinking alcohol bit is small in comparison to the espionage.