I have always been convinced that the general numbers on how many rich people (> 10M networth and > 50M networth) there are is a total lie. Maybe its the bubble that I live in, but there are ALOT of very wealthy people on the coasts. The government numbers dont match my anecdata, I think they are missing a ton of income/capital gains, and thus our wealth distribution charts dont match reality
A significant fraction of wealth is difficult to track because asset value isn't "real" until there is a transaction that places a value on it, which the government does track. Until those transactions happen, any estimates of asset value are notional and may not be remotely realizable in a real market.
The Ultra-Rich Are Flourishing and Sticking Around in California
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. And I am a highly educated individual with a degree in statistics/CS
I am so sorry your university fleeced you without giving you a decent education in your chosen field.
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#53I grew in upper middle class southern California. I work in tech for the last 7 years. My parents house went from $500K when they bought in 1995 to +$3M today. If my math is right, that would mean the all-in payment (principal, interest, taxes) would be around $20,000/month at today's rate. Assume you do not want to spend more than 1/3 of your income on housing, your household would need to make $720,000/year. Nomina…
Same thing is happening in Austin. It's sad.
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#54As a resident who was born here and left and then came back, I’ve had this idea kicking around in my head of “California is a luxury product”. If you look at the entire US, and assume you have the ability to move and live in any state, there are lots of options for everyone at every income level. (Disclaimer that this doesn’t address poverty, DEI, and other limitations to a good chunk of citizens). From the Gold Rush…
It is 100% a luxury product for one reason alone: weather. Having lived in areas with harsh winters and then moving back to CA, you’re basically paying to gain an extra 3 months of life every year.
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#55It reminded me a lot of Florida actually. Everything built really flat and spread out, as if businesses can catch communicable diseases or something.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have always been convinced that the general numbers on how many rich people (> 10M networth) there are is a total lie. Not really a lie, but most of that wealth is on paper. Those people do not have $10M cash, they $10M in investments at today's fair market value. Some amount of property appreciation is due to lower interest rates allowing home buyers to roll up their equity over time as they buy bigger, more exp…
Commented this below, but: People can do things like take loans against their investment gains, use that money for other investing. It can absolutely be invisible to the IRS as they skirt tax laws. Another example, take the construction industry. Its estimated that half the money getting paid to construction contractors is under the table.
True, and asset prices go up even more, but what happens when they can't get the financing or have to start selling to pay down the financing of other assets as prices go down?
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#57California is a beautiful state. It has a ton of natural beauty, recreation, entertainment options, food, anything you could want. It's no wonder people want to live there. The ultra rich are able to keep housing costs high and paint false narratives about crime in the media to keep the normies away, while enjoying it themselves. It's a great con.
Being killed is a big deal, but no city has such a problem with murder that it can touch the scale of property crime. Thus property crime is the lens by which people will view the risk of crime.
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#58I grew in upper middle class southern California. I work in tech for the last 7 years. My parents house went from $500K when they bought in 1995 to +$3M today. If my math is right, that would mean the all-in payment (principal, interest, taxes) would be around $20,000/month at today's rate. Assume you do not want to spend more than 1/3 of your income on housing, your household would need to make $720,000/year. Nomina…
My gf and I are fortunate to earn high incomes and it still difficult to find acceptable housing.
Like you, I knew many upper middle class kids when I was younger. The only ones who have purchased houses (so far) are the ones who received help from their parents.
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#59As a resident who was born here and left and then came back, I’ve had this idea kicking around in my head of “California is a luxury product”. If you look at the entire US, and assume you have the ability to move and live in any state, there are lots of options for everyone at every income level. (Disclaimer that this doesn’t address poverty, DEI, and other limitations to a good chunk of citizens). From the Gold Rush…
It is 100% a luxury product for one reason alone: weather. Having lived in areas with harsh winters and then moving back to CA, you’re basically paying to gain an extra 3 months of life every year.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same thing is happening in Austin. It's sad.
At least prices have been coming down in Austin. Same needs to happen in CA, but there are going to be a lot of bitter and distressed home owners.
Of all things the state should be encouraging or building safety nets for, housing speculation should be in last place.