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Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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More interesting that they found a way to work with poor quality iron

I have repeatedly read that Japan has poor quality iron, but what exactly does that mean? Iron is an element, so all of the reserves were in an unfortunate oxide requiring sophisticated refining? Just low total abundance?

All the cool swords seem to come from societies without access to good iron. Ever seen a 'Viking' sword?

Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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By the rumors that I read in forums, Sukbae Lee and Ji-Hoon Kim hit the first sample (the prototype of LK-99) in 1999 trying to prove the theory of their professor Choi Dong-Shik. Around 2017 YoungWan Kwon joined to the team and they got investment enough for to buy an SQUID and a EPR. In 2020, L and K hit with LK99. They tried to submit a paper to Nature, but was rejected. They contacted with HyunTak Kim after read…

Important additional rumours I heard from a little birdie: The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered. Before Kwon joined the team at LG's alleged insistence, the reason that Lee and Kim had restarted research at all was because Choi D…

I'm so ready for Christopher Nolan to direct this movie.

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Important additional rumours I heard from a little birdie: The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered. Before Kwon joined the team at LG's alleged insistence, the reason that Lee and Kim had restarted research at all was because Choi D…

> If true, that is objectively insane. I dunno about that. Look at it this way: we don't know how to make a room temp superconductor, we don't know how to learn what we need to learn to make one. There were some more obvious ideas, they didn't work. There were a lot of less obvious ideas, lots of people tried them, they didn't work. At this point, one could argue that continued research specifically directed to makin…

How much money does actually go into this? I know it's an active research area, but I didn't get the idea this is some kind of "main" focus for humanity. For example a figure I could find is that US$24.5 billion is spend on cancer research (which frankly I find extraordinarily low). I couldn't find a figure online but I doubt it's even 10% of that.

To me it just sounds more like we are just playing around a little bit and not actually taking finding a room temperature super conductor seriously.

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>They tried to submit a paper to Nature, but was rejected This should be "were rejected" because "were" refers to "they". It cannot refer to the paper even though that would make sense. You could say "but it was rejected" to force the sentence to refer to the singular paper.

Okay, if we don't correct English on HN that's okay. My foreign friends ask me to do this with them but I get that HN is a different forum and that we are not friends.

Don't pay too much attention to votes anyways you do you do long as you're politics and helpful (as you have been).

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Don't understand how a movie largely about the psychological horrors of developing and using a nuclear weapons is being construed to be "pro physics" lol. If anything it's the opposite

I was massively let down by Oppenheimer. It’s 90% interpersonal/political drama (Including a bunch of unnecessary nudity thrown in for dramatic effect), a few token scenes with Albert Einstein, a 10 minute detonation with decent SFX, and a small fraction of real physics and engineering. If you’re actually interested in the Manhattan Project you’ll be way more inspired by a history channel documentary than anything in…

I loved the movie. Ultimately there can be no tension around the creation and use of the bomb. We all know that much of history atleast.

Instead it's a richly weaved tapestry asking an important question in various ways and giving various answers. "can you commit sin and expect sympathy"? We see this asked about nukes, about infidelity, and suicide, political maneovering. About science itself(original sin).

Take even the scene with the poisoned apple Bohr, Placket and Oppenheimer.

Bohr and Oppenheimer talk about forbidden knowledge (don't lift the rock if you're not prepared for the snake) as Bohr holds and apple. The forbidden fruit tempted by the snake in the garden of Eden.

No one with knowledge of WWII science sees a cyanide poisoned apple and doesn't think of Turning. Discarded after the war and persecuted for being gay (as Nazis persecute Jewish scientists and Americans communist scientists).

As Izzy Rabi says, bombs fall on the just and the unjust alike. As Oppenheimers constructed this bomb, the poisoned apple, which is about to hit the just (Bohr) and not Blackett (who he thinks unjust). Before regretting it.

Einstein regrets the bomb before he even started work after writing the letter with Szilard, others reject.it after construction, after testing, after Hiroshima, Oppenheimer seems to think enough is enough after Nagasaki. Teller goes further still... Where do we draw the line?

The apple scene alone is deeply layered with the major themes of the movies.

That's why people enjoyed it.

Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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I was massively let down by Oppenheimer. It’s 90% interpersonal/political drama (Including a bunch of unnecessary nudity thrown in for dramatic effect), a few token scenes with Albert Einstein, a 10 minute detonation with decent SFX, and a small fraction of real physics and engineering. If you’re actually interested in the Manhattan Project you’ll be way more inspired by a history channel documentary than anything in…

Hmm the “token” scene with Einstein was the pivotal interpersonal misunderstanding / paranoia trigger for the antagonist.

It also tells us that Strauss does not quite understand the game.

He had the medal pinned on him, he thinks this is a badge of honour. A mark of the lowly shoe sales man come good. Einstein tells us this was the marking of the end of his usefulness.

Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36940489 .

Why not to just shadow ban me again, but leave thread intact? Or cut it at one level up???

I don't know what you mean by "shadow ban me again" but detaching off topic subthreads is a standard moderation thing on HN.

Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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Important additional rumours I heard from a little birdie: The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered. Before Kwon joined the team at LG's alleged insistence, the reason that Lee and Kim had restarted research at all was because Choi D…

> If true, that is objectively insane. I dunno about that. Look at it this way: we don't know how to make a room temp superconductor, we don't know how to learn what we need to learn to make one. There were some more obvious ideas, they didn't work. There were a lot of less obvious ideas, lots of people tried them, they didn't work. At this point, one could argue that continued research specifically directed to makin…

> one could argue that continued research specifically directed to making a room temp superconductor, absent some kind of new externally originated discovery or a constraint relaxation (like ultra high pressure), is objectively a waste of time.

Really? I’m not convinced of that. If anything, the prior papers published by other authors pointing in this direction say the exact opposite to me.

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