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Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by c_crank »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #140
c_crank wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not disputing that. I just think that intelligence or 'sapience' is not something that requires reverence on our part.

What is then, if anything? Definitely not "being a biological system" - that seems much more boring than intelligence, and the line between "biological" and "non-biological" is somewhat arbitrary and increasingly blurry anyway.

It is a quality that makes something good at drawing pictures and writing smart sound replies to prompts. And translating.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by TaupeRanger »

tshaddox wrote: post #131
unshavedyak wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always on the position that at some point (i make no prediction of when) "AI" will still be labeled as not-intelligent, but to external observers it won't be possible to know. Ie we will be able to describe how a function of `add(1,2)` is most clearly definitely not intelligent. We will understand the internal makeup of these neurons better, the whole system will be deterministic and understood - just a very larg…

> If we can't tell it apart from us.. and if we know it is most definitely not alive or even mysterious.. what does that say about us? That concepts like "consciousness," "free will," and "qualia" are nebulous precisely because they were invented by us to describe things we don't understand yet we feel obligated to insist are special and unique characteristics of our identity.

They aren't nebulous. "Consciousness" means "an existing stream of experiences". "Free will" means "a feeling that one could've made a different choice" (the metaphysical status of the claim still unknown), and "qualia" means "specific characteristics of experiences that one can attend to". One need not "insist" on anything to believe they are unique characteristics of our identity.

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Post by push-to-prod »

From the last paragraph in the article:

"It is too early to say that the new AI class is an inherently antihuman technological paradigm, as social media has proven itself to be.

But it is not too early to suspect that AIs will dwarf social media in their power to disrupt modern life.

If that is so, we had better learn some new and unfamiliar ways of interrogating this technology, and fast. Whatever these entities are — they’re here." -Ari Schulman

People that mistake an large language model (LLM) for anything other than a LLM make some fundamentally broken assumptions.

Are ChatGPT, Midjourney, etc. a fundamental leap in the state of the art when it comes to allowing computer systems to understand what people mean and return something useful based on it? 100%

Is ChatGPT or the like going to become self-aware, compromise other computer systems, etc? No more than your shoe is going to take over your foot.

There's far too many people worried about "AI" that don't have enough context to realize they're fearing a non-sentient tool that has zero agency, and will not for the foreseeable future.

Somebody wake me up when the panic is over.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by bilekas »

push-to-prod wrote: post #143

From the last paragraph in the article: "It is too early to say that the new AI class is an inherently antihuman technological paradigm, as social media has proven itself to be. But it is not too early to suspect that AIs will dwarf social media in their power to disrupt modern life. If that is so, we had better learn some new and unfamiliar ways of interrogating this technology, and fast. Whatever these entities are…

> Is ChatGPT or the like going to become self-aware, compromise other computer systems, etc? No more than your shoe is going to take over your foot.

Agreed. It's strange though, to be honest I don't see much if any worry about self awareness, i think anyone who knows anything understands that's not the issue. The "issue" if you can call it that is how it will impact society from a labor and content perspective. How much synthetic content will be perceived as true and assumed to be correct simply because we haven't had time to adapt to the fact that the rate of synthetic content is exponential now.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by edmundsauto »

indigo945 wrote: post #89
mercurialsolo wrote: post #62

It's not combining an LLM with data/memory recollection and infinite agency that will lead to leaps in cognition. Complex systems still can do that and still not have self-awareness / cognition. We will need to take some more fundamental leaps to synthesize memory, agency and prediction to operate within a single system where self-awareness resides in the entity and not in the building blocks. LLM's represent a build…

I am an absolute layman when it comes to AI topics, but I have been wondering about this lately. A lot of the hopes in regard to AGI in LLMs seem to focus on just making the models bigger, or feeding them even more information. On the other hand, some researchers in the AGI space seem to move in a completely different direction, trying to use neural networks to simulate different parts of a brain, moving away from la…

In a similar position. With human brains, we know some parts are generative and some are restrictive/filtering. The filters seem to be how we align thoughts with reality. Lots of people have taken those filters out and (unfortunately for them) seem to be unable to function or (unfortunately to us) become cult leaders.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by __loam »

bilekas wrote: post #144
push-to-prod wrote: post #143

From the last paragraph in the article: "It is too early to say that the new AI class is an inherently antihuman technological paradigm, as social media has proven itself to be. But it is not too early to suspect that AIs will dwarf social media in their power to disrupt modern life. If that is so, we had better learn some new and unfamiliar ways of interrogating this technology, and fast. Whatever these entities are…

> Is ChatGPT or the like going to become self-aware, compromise other computer systems, etc? No more than your shoe is going to take over your foot. Agreed. It's strange though, to be honest I don't see much if any worry about self awareness, i think anyone who knows anything understands that's not the issue. The "issue" if you can call it that is how it will impact society from a labor and content perspective. How m…

My main concern about this technology is the amount of bullshit that's going to end up on the internet because of it

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by __loam »

danielbln wrote: post #31
visarga wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, unfortunately it doesn't learn online. It forgets everything after each interaction. They can collect the data and retrain later, but the hard part is doing all the fine-tuning steps all over again and ensuring the new model has no regressions. GPT3.5 and 4 are years out of date, an unfortunate situation when generating code or asking about recent events. And now they removed the search plugin, probably they got…

Or you use one of the many other search enabled LLMs (e.g. https://phind.com ) or build your own via langchain etc.

This is just a search engine with a neat wrapper
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