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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by PaulRobinson »

LargeTomato wrote: post #309
PaulRobinson wrote: post #209

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Why do you need IT systems for a program that has allegedly been running covertly since a decade before Bletchley Park started building Colossus? Let’s just presume that the people running this are recruited both for their competence and their ability to keep a secret. Would they immediately commission an IT team? NSA needs IT. It’s essential. These programs - if they exist - are all about avoiding recording anything…

>Why do you need IT systems for a program that has allegedly been running covertly since a decade before Bletchley Park started building Colossus? I'm not sure I follow. You would almost certainly need IT. Just because the program (allegedly) dates back to 1930 doesn't mean it has no use for IT. The IRS dates back to before 1930 and it has IT.

The function of the IRS means it is more efficient to use IT than to not use IT.

It is more efficient for a covert program of a few hundred (dozen?), people who have perfected their mechanisms over 90 years to not have IT.

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Post by markus_zhang »

lithos wrote: post #373
dtx1 wrote: post #154

So just to give everyone here a bit of context. This hearing was not for the UFO Believers to be used as official disclosure. This was not to convince any skeptics out there this is real. This is a political tool for the congressional oversight committee (who themselves may not have any evidence) to put into record what they need to follow up on using their power of the purse and oversight rights. Is this an issue of…

Money is moving without the politics of Washington being involved, favors are being "gifted" to orgs for access to novel tech. If that can't get power brokers in Washington to force some change, nothing will.

The more persons who know about a secret, the less a secret it is. I'd say it's a good thing.

It should be easier to hack a congressman's personal email account than someone in a air gapped military compound, and easier to hack a scientist's (presumably) academic email.

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Post by markus_zhang »

qingcharles wrote: post #389
aczerepinski wrote: post #348

What convinces all of the aliens to crash their UFOs in America? Or is every govt part of the conspiracy?

The recent testimony says it started with the Italians and the Vatican helping out in the 1930s. Your point stands though. If these things are crashing then surely they would have crashed on some Third World hell-hole where the population would happily collect the debris and sell it to whoever wants to pay. It would be hard to cover something like that up. The US likes to think they are everything, everywhere, all at…

I listened to the testimony but could only get the "30s". When did he mention Italy and Vatican?

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Post by markus_zhang »

KingLancelot wrote: post #323

The biggest question to ask is, why after 90 years of secrecy, coverups, and gaslighting the general public, have they started the disclosure process, specifically starting with that New York Times/Pentagon confirmed story in 2017.

My hunch is they finally have the means to extract tech in those vehicles so they figured it's better to move it to public air.

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Post by ricksunny »

markus_zhang wrote: post #663
qingcharles wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The recent testimony says it started with the Italians and the Vatican helping out in the 1930s. Your point stands though. If these things are crashing then surely they would have crashed on some Third World hell-hole where the population would happily collect the debris and sell it to whoever wants to pay. It would be hard to cover something like that up. The US likes to think they are everything, everywhere, all at…

I listened to the testimony but could only get the "30s". When did he mention Italy and Vatican?

He referenced his interview with NewsNation.

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Post by markus_zhang »

ricksunny wrote: post #665
markus_zhang wrote: post #663

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I listened to the testimony but could only get the "30s". When did he mention Italy and Vatican?

He referenced his interview with NewsNation.

Thanks! I'll check it out.

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Post by Reubend »

cowboysauce wrote: post #451
Reubend wrote: post #433

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Your logic is based on the assumption that those alien crafts were intending to come to Earth. Perhaps they were intending to go somewhere else, and crashed into Earth mistakenly? Then the volume of total flights could be much larger, and the proportion of crashes could be much smaller.

So instead of thousands of craft flying daily over the US, there are potentially millions commuting past Earth? And those crashes still happen despite an abundance of help nearby?

Sure, what's preposterous about that?

We can't assume that getting "help" is trivial just due to the volume of travel. Commercial airplanes can't rescue each other, just as an example.

I don't believe that aliens are making contact with Earth. But I don't find your argument against that possibility convincing either.

In my mind, a much better argument would simply be that with 7 billion people on this planet, the likelihood of alien crashes staying secret seems miniscule. We would have solid conclusive evidence already if it had happened multiple times, like alledged.

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Post by Reubend »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #477
cowboysauce wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So instead of thousands of craft flying daily over the US, there are potentially millions commuting past Earth? And those crashes still happen despite an abundance of help nearby?

I can't quite put my finger on why, but somehow these exchanges with fringe theorists strongly remind me of one-sided versions of those "who would win" arguments that people have between Star Trek technology versus Star Wars. The real objective seems to be to show off one's ability to creatively avoid being pinned down by argument from scientific knowledge while affecting that one's own claims are grounded in it.

I'm not sure if you're directing that at me, or the parent comment. But I'm not a fringe theorist, and I don't believe that aliens have been crashing into Earth either. I find the parent comment's argument very unconvincing.

It makes assumptions which don't seem reasonable in the context of the subject matter at hand. If aliens did exist, they could be much more numerous than humans. Their spacecraft could be more dangerous than airplanes to operate. Their method of travel could perhaps result in collisions with Earth even if it wasn't their intended destination.

My overall point is that we should minimize the assumptions we make here. There's no point in assuming various things and then proposing arguments based on those predicates.

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Post by pmarreck »

krapp wrote: post #627
pmarreck wrote: post #617

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The presumption among all of this skepticism is that the speed of light is the ultimate limitation. The problem with this stance for literally the past 20 years is that the Alcubierre drive, which has yet to be disproven in concept (despite requiring exotic matter and high amounts of energy) has been known about since the 90’s, and at least makes FTL travel, theoretically possible. This is why I am skeptical about mo…

The most obvious argument against the validity of the Alcubierre drive (besides the exotic matter and energy requirements, and spacetime not working that way as far as we know, all of which which are substantial issues despite your handwaving them away) is the Fermi Paradox. If, as you seem to be confidently asserting, the Alcubierre drive is feasible, has been built, and is what aliens are using to visit Earth, then…

> as far as we know

Therein lies the rub. "As far as we know." Human knowledge only goes back, what, 2000 years? Industrialization started, what, only 150 years ago? The printing press is, eh, 500 years old? Ubiquitous computers began... literally an instant ago in cosmic timescales.

So while my argument might be summarized as "this one thing may be real because this other thing may be real but just 20 years ago wasn't even hypothetically conceived", your argument is basically "there's no way this one thing is real because this other thing is only distantly hypothetically real and still has flaws and besides, the whole concept is preposterous because there should either be aliens literally everywhere already or nowhere, because that makes about as much sense (maybe they're leaving our "incubator" mostly alone?), and because we simply don't understand how it's possible, despite the fact that we are basically 5 day old babies (and apparently VERY cocky ones) as far as science and human knowledge is concerned at cosmic timescales." LOL

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