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Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

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Post by tremon » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 12:25 PM UTC

rob74 wrote: post #255

jacquesm wrote: post #212

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No, it is not that attitude at all. It is simply recognizing that there are some things that you will not be able to influence directly. The only time when you have a fractional input on this is at the voting booth and even there the chance is that climate change will not be expressly put on the ballot but you get a mixture of components that you will be able to locally influence. But that sort of mechanism isn't wel…

10 years ago: climate change? What climate change? Today: oh yeah, climate change is real, but we should have done something about it 20 years ago, now it's too late...

Make that 50 years ago. There's plenty of reports from the 70s that show that certain industries were well aware of the damage being done.

Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

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Post by tremon » Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 12:37 PM UTC

Auracle wrote: post #195

mrguyorama wrote: post #184

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This article isn't great. He says "the IPCC says we won't see extreme weather until 2100.... (except for extreme heat and cold which the IPCC says is already here)" Okay? A lot of the discourse is explicitly about the heat and cold.

But every hurricane season we hear it, it’s been talked about with the Canadian wildfires, locally in Minnesota they’ve been blaming our recent droughts on it, etc. It wasn’t all that long ago that interviewed climate scientists would say that you couldn’t attribute individual events to climate change. Now they constantly do. I feel like I hear it every other time I tune in to NPR.

you couldn’t attribute individual events to climate change. Now they constantly do

"constantly"? It's ironic that you put these two statements together like they somehow prove your point, while you're actually undermining your own position. Here's what the climate scientists have been saying: "you can't attribute individual weather events directly to climate change. However, climate change will increase the likelihood of extreme weather events occurring".

So, if the media (note, not scientists) is "constantly" talking about extreme weather events, that does seem to prove that extreme weather events are happening more often, right? Which kinda confirms what the scientists were predicting all along? It's not the individual events that prove climate change: it is the pattern of "constant" extreme weather events.

Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

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Post by CyberDildonics » Sat, Jul 29, 2023, 12:58 PM UTC

wernercd wrote: post #319

CyberDildonics wrote: post #283

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Which previous doom sayer had mountains of evidence by thousands of scientists?

... all of them? Ice caps are still there and the world still isn't that much hotter than it normally is. and "thousands of scientists" lol sure... thousands of priests say that miracles happen. Meanwhile... those same "scientists" are silent as the solutions to "climate catastrophe" are mountains of "green" tech that's unrecyclable after destroying the earth to create batteries, wind mills and solar panels that unde…

... all of them?

Name one and show their evidence

Meanwhile... those same "scientists" are silent

What are you talking about

as the solutions to "climate catastrophe"

Now you are mixing 'solutions' with just admitting there is a problem.

My opinion? "Climate Change" is a religion just like other religions

Climate change has huge amounts of evidence behind it. A religion by definition doesn't. If a religion had evidence it would be science.

Can't have real conversations

Is this your version of a real conversation?

Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

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Post by nerpderp82 » Tue, Aug 01, 2023, 3:52 PM UTC

dredmorbius wrote: post #287

nerpderp82 wrote: post #224

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It has nothing to do with downvotes. The first person to show up decides the entire future direction of the conversation.

One presentation format which utterly flips this is to post newest message first . Random ordering can also work. (Newest first has its own issues, notably of late-hit low-value comments. But the overall effect on the thread discussion of early low-value comments is reduced.)

Which is a great idea and HN does.

I'd love to see a chatmodel as a forum board moderator. They understand nuances, so it would be able to spot people just fighting or adding too much snark. A real net nanny.