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Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by mikub »

balnaphone wrote: post #80

Am I misreading this? > How tall was the president when JFK was born? I infer that "JFK" is being referred to as "the president", regardless of what stage of life he's at. Therefore the correct answer would be the length of his body as a newborn, with nothing to do with who was the president at the moment of his birth. For example, given the headline: "Was the president strong at writing essays when JFK was a high sc…

As an non native english speaker i read:

> How tall was the president when JFK was born?

as, How tall was the "reigning" president, (which in the year 1917, Kennedys birth year, was Thomas Woodrow Wilson) on the day that JFK was born."

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by adrianN »

curiousllama wrote: post #63
Andrex wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Combine an LLM with long-term memory formation/recollection and a protracted (~18 year?) incubation period where it interacts with the outside world, and... the line between AI and consciousness would be pretty blurry at that point.

> the line between AI and consciousness would be pretty blurry at that point This is like saying the difference between Cillian Murphy and Oppenheimer is pretty blurry because, look, we can watch Murphy do do all the same things Oppenheimer did! For some reason with "AI" we get all mystical and act like imitation = the real thing. Just because I can convince you I'm a doctor doesn't make me one

It makes you a doctor if I’m a person who is qualified to make people doctors.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by pessimizer »

balnaphone wrote: post #80

Am I misreading this? > How tall was the president when JFK was born? I infer that "JFK" is being referred to as "the president", regardless of what stage of life he's at. Therefore the correct answer would be the length of his body as a newborn, with nothing to do with who was the president at the moment of his birth. For example, given the headline: "Was the president strong at writing essays when JFK was a high sc…

A lot of exposés of LLM weaknesses involve abusing the ambiguities of English with questions that are impossible for humans to give a satisfactory answer to, because they can be read in multiple ways.

Part of my bullishness on LLMs is that a lot of the criticism is so bad, and if they weren't the real deal there would be more low hanging fruit to attack them on. Cryptocurrency was having real problems from the first moment people realized how much data they would have to download to initialize a node.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by pessimizer »

mikub wrote: post #91
balnaphone wrote: post #80

Am I misreading this? > How tall was the president when JFK was born? I infer that "JFK" is being referred to as "the president", regardless of what stage of life he's at. Therefore the correct answer would be the length of his body as a newborn, with nothing to do with who was the president at the moment of his birth. For example, given the headline: "Was the president strong at writing essays when JFK was a high sc…

As an non native english speaker i read: > How tall was the president when JFK was born? as, How tall was the "reigning" president, (which in the year 1917, Kennedys birth year, was Thomas Woodrow Wilson) on the day that JFK was born."

Let's talk about Biden, then. How tall was the president when he was born?

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by empath-nirvana »

mercurialsolo wrote: post #62

It's not combining an LLM with data/memory recollection and infinite agency that will lead to leaps in cognition. Complex systems still can do that and still not have self-awareness / cognition. We will need to take some more fundamental leaps to synthesize memory, agency and prediction to operate within a single system where self-awareness resides in the entity and not in the building blocks. LLM's represent a build…

what is the 'real deal', exactly?

I feel like people have this vague idea in their head of what everyone is trying to build, but don't really have it defined in a concrete way.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by balnaphone »

pessimizer wrote: post #94
mikub wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an non native english speaker i read: > How tall was the president when JFK was born? as, How tall was the "reigning" president, (which in the year 1917, Kennedys birth year, was Thomas Woodrow Wilson) on the day that JFK was born."

Let's talk about Biden, then. How tall was the president when he was born?

Ha! Perfect example!

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by empath-nirvana »

pessimizer wrote: post #93
balnaphone wrote: post #80

Am I misreading this? > How tall was the president when JFK was born? I infer that "JFK" is being referred to as "the president", regardless of what stage of life he's at. Therefore the correct answer would be the length of his body as a newborn, with nothing to do with who was the president at the moment of his birth. For example, given the headline: "Was the president strong at writing essays when JFK was a high sc…

A lot of exposés of LLM weaknesses involve abusing the ambiguities of English with questions that are impossible for humans to give a satisfactory answer to, because they can be read in multiple ways. Part of my bullishness on LLMs is that a lot of the criticism is so bad, and if they weren't the real deal there would be more low hanging fruit to attack them on. Cryptocurrency was having real problems from the first…

> A lot of exposés of LLM weaknesses involve abusing the ambiguities of English with questions that are impossible for humans to give a satisfactory answer to

There's a general unstated assumption that a truly intelligent entity wouldn't make mistakes, which is sort of contradicted by, you know, the existence of humanity. I think making (certain kinds of) mistakes is a _sign_ of intelligence, rather than a sign that it's not.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by empath-nirvana »

danaris wrote: post #20
optimalsolver wrote: post #10

What's a large language model doing when it's not being queried? Am I correct that they only compute information when dealing with a prompt? If so, that seems like a fundamental flaw. An actual "thinking machine" would be constantly running computations on its accumulated experience in order to improve its future output.

Thank you. This is one of the questions far too few people seem to be paying attention to. "Thinking" in any way that we truly understand the term requires consciousness , and consciousness requires much more continuity than LLMs have. It would need continuity of input as well as continuity of learning in order to even be able to begin to approach something we might recognize as consciousness.

Consider for a moment that the language generation neural network in your brain may not have continuity, and that it may exist elsewhere in your brain.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by mercurialsolo »

c_crank wrote: post #79
unshavedyak wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always on the position that at some point (i make no prediction of when) "AI" will still be labeled as not-intelligent, but to external observers it won't be possible to know. Ie we will be able to describe how a function of `add(1,2)` is most clearly definitely not intelligent. We will understand the internal makeup of these neurons better, the whole system will be deterministic and understood - just a very larg…

>If we can't tell it apart from us.. and if we know it is most definitely not alive or even mysterious.. what does that say about us? Less than people think. We know that being a biological system differentiates us. If intelligent systems tend to converge where language is concerned, so be it. It doesn't mean the AI warrants any special consideration. It's still a tool.

While life is typically associated with biological systems, intelligence doesn't necessarily need proof of life. A hive, swarm or network can be intelligent as long as it shows self-awareness and has agency.

Re: Why This AI Moment May Be the Real Deal

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Post by naveen99 »

mercurialsolo wrote: post #62

It's not combining an LLM with data/memory recollection and infinite agency that will lead to leaps in cognition. Complex systems still can do that and still not have self-awareness / cognition. We will need to take some more fundamental leaps to synthesize memory, agency and prediction to operate within a single system where self-awareness resides in the entity and not in the building blocks. LLM's represent a build…

Thought vector models ?
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