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Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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Post by lifthrasiir »

lucubratory wrote: post #597
drtgh wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the rumors that I read in forums, Sukbae Lee and Ji-Hoon Kim hit the first sample (the prototype of LK-99) in 1999 trying to prove the theory of their professor Choi Dong-Shik. Around 2017 YoungWan Kwon joined to the team and they got investment enough for to buy an SQUID and a EPR. In 2020, L and K hit with LK99. They tried to submit a paper to Nature, but was rejected. They contacted with HyunTak Kim after read…

Important additional rumours I heard from a little birdie: The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered. Before Kwon joined the team at LG's alleged insistence, the reason that Lee and Kim had restarted research at all was because Choi D…

> The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered.

Note that this is indeed what has been told by the group, but it might have been indeed happened (say, as a polite way to say GTFO), or the Nature paper was outright rejected and the notice was made up. There were enough people that questioned the veracity of this very anecdote.

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Post by LargeTomato »

LargeTomato wrote: post #593
drtgh wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the rumors that I read in forums, Sukbae Lee and Ji-Hoon Kim hit the first sample (the prototype of LK-99) in 1999 trying to prove the theory of their professor Choi Dong-Shik. Around 2017 YoungWan Kwon joined to the team and they got investment enough for to buy an SQUID and a EPR. In 2020, L and K hit with LK99. They tried to submit a paper to Nature, but was rejected. They contacted with HyunTak Kim after read…

>They tried to submit a paper to Nature, but was rejected This should be "were rejected" because "were" refers to "they". It cannot refer to the paper even though that would make sense. You could say "but it was rejected" to force the sentence to refer to the singular paper.

Okay, if we don't correct English on HN that's okay. My foreign friends ask me to do this with them but I get that HN is a different forum and that we are not friends.

Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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Post by lucubratory »

whatshisface wrote: post #604
lucubratory wrote: post #598

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I've already seen some videos/images from the lesbian Soviet hedge chemist and some other amateur/non-lab repro attempts showing that if it's diamagnetism, it's much, much stronger than pyrolitic graphite. At least 15x stronger. Diamagnetism also wouldn't explain the resistivity, critical temp, critical current, and critical field graphs. I think the realistic options at this point are: 1. Complete fraud, including o…

There aren't any Soviet chemists...

Not everyone agrees, and therefore... https://youtu.be/oOV32P59-yI

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Post by senttoschool »

Accujack wrote: post #466
est wrote: post #53

Why does China alone have so many reproduction attemps? I assumed it would be tried everywhere.

China wants to gain a technological edge on all other countries. If they happen to be the first to turn a room temperature superconductor into usable commercial or military materials, then they'll have a huge military or economic advantage for some period of time.

God, this kind of thinking is so brainwashed. The relentless China demonization propaganda has made it so that people in the West don't actually believe that Chinese people have normal human behaviors. In a way, the western media has succeeded in portraying all of China as evil and themselves as good.

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Post by oneshtein »

jacquesm wrote: post #436
oneshtein wrote: post #421

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Cold Fusion doesn't work because we are exchanging high-energy particles, which are expensive to produce, for low grade heat in bulk of material. If we will have cheap source of muons, we can change equation. We can drop a tiny bit of Nickel lattice filled with Deuterium, and then strike it with muons from all angles, to create implosion. This will allow us to create tiny blast of hot plasma, which is much easier to…

> If we will have cheap source of muons, we can change equation. You can make them but the cost in energy is exactly the problem: you will be spending money on energy to make muons at a considerable loss due to the inefficient ways in which we know how to make them (proton beams, which require a huge amount of energy to create), resulting in an insignificant number of particles. If your goal is to get net energy out…

We have tons of free high-energy radiation in space. LENR can be impractical on Earth, but be practical on Mars, or on a space station, or in Van Allen belts. Mars is very cold, but constantly bombarded by cosmic rays, because it lacks magnetic shield. Thin atmosphere allows much larger flux of particles with lower energies to reach ground. It may work, if lattice will be exposed to the cosmic rays. LENR can be used here as lightweight source of heat for domes.

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Post by epups »

lucubratory wrote: post #597
drtgh wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the rumors that I read in forums, Sukbae Lee and Ji-Hoon Kim hit the first sample (the prototype of LK-99) in 1999 trying to prove the theory of their professor Choi Dong-Shik. Around 2017 YoungWan Kwon joined to the team and they got investment enough for to buy an SQUID and a EPR. In 2020, L and K hit with LK99. They tried to submit a paper to Nature, but was rejected. They contacted with HyunTak Kim after read…

Important additional rumours I heard from a little birdie: The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered. Before Kwon joined the team at LG's alleged insistence, the reason that Lee and Kim had restarted research at all was because Choi D…

> The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered.

There is no way this is true. Nature only publishes original papers, which means publication in another journal - why would it have to be "local"? - would preclude their ability to publish.

Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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Post by lucubratory »

epups wrote: post #616
lucubratory wrote: post #597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important additional rumours I heard from a little birdie: The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered. Before Kwon joined the team at LG's alleged insistence, the reason that Lee and Kim had restarted research at all was because Choi D…

> The Nature rejection was because of the Ranga Dias affair, and it wasn't an outright rejection but a requirement that the paper be submitted to a local journal and peer reviewed by local scientists before it would be considered. There is no way this is true. Nature only publishes original papers, which means publication in another journal - why would it have to be "local"? - would preclude their ability to publish.

It's the claim they're making, I don't know. Nature hasn't commented publicly at this stage.

If it was a flat-out rejection, the spin on the story may be an attempt to smooth things over and leave the door open to collaboration with Nature in the future. It comes across as the opposite of vindictive, and there's really no way this story makes Nature look bad with the authors saying this. On the other hand, if Nature had rejected it outright and then LK-99 is the real deal, I think that could have been embarassing for them.

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Post by yreg »

IX-103 wrote: post #591
yreg wrote: post #575

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>little focus on just showing us the actual alien ship wreckage, even though that'd be much easier, if it were true. I don't believe in the current alien thing, but how exactly would it be easier for a whistleblower to steal the actual wreckage out of some secret lab? Compared to giving a testimony?

How hard would it be to smuggle a cell phone to snap a picture? Don't build a false dichotomy.

The witness says that he has never seen the alien material himself. What was he supposed to take a picture of?

There is no false dichotomy. We are comparing difficulty of doing X and Y. I have not said that X makes Y impossible or the other way around.

Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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Post by oneshtein »

dang wrote: post #432
oneshtein wrote: post #31

Currently, Cold Fusion used in small scale isotope breeders for medical purposes. One 2kWt breeder with CF can replace 100kWt traditional breeding plant.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36940489 .

Why not to just shadow ban me again, but leave thread intact? Or cut it at one level up???

Re: LK-99: The live online race for a room-temperature superconductor

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Post by oneshtein »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #9
jboggan wrote: post #4

This live crowdsourced approach is a far better way to test and refine hypotheses than peer review and the current state of science journals.

That's how it has always been done. During the 1989 cold fusion fiasco, the findings were announced in a press conference, pre-prints were circulated in the community, and many groups attempted to reproduce the results. The first publication came weeks later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

My reply to you was cut off by dang.
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