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Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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Nuclear facilities seem pretty fragile / demanding, I doubt one would survive any kind of apocalyptic event. The infrastructure supporting it will be gone.

isnt that the case with any advanced technology? (including wind and solar)

Yes.

Though as a corollary, such an event would be civilisation-ending in any regard.

It's also ... highly rare. Somewhere in the 1 in a million to 100 million year range, which is to say, not only longer than the planning horizon of most human institutions, but well outside the existence of the human species for the most part.

It's also well beyond the available supply of terrestrially-minable uranium,[1] and possibly of ocean-extracted uranium,[2] and thorium[3]. Breeders might be another option, though I've seen no substantive estimates of total fuel availability for that case either.[4]

But as an argument favouring nuclear over other energy options ... this is pretty silly, really.

About the only viable defence against such a risk would be, and I say this as someone who's markedly pessimistic on space colonisation, independent and self-sufficient habitations off-Earth: YACP.[5]

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Notes:

1. If we relied on naturally-occurring terrestrially-mined uranium for all present human energy consumption ... supplies would last fewer than two decades. This is seldom mentioned by nuclear advocates.

2. This offers a potentially much larger supply, as uranium is present as a solute in seawater, but viable industrial-scale extraction is unproven and would require filtering vast quantities of seawater.

3. Thorium is reasonably abundant, though I'm not quite sure how abundant. Thorium-based reactors are not much used, and the concept of molten-salt reactors (MSR) which gained some popularity in the past decade ... faces some very significant engineering hurdles. Managing high-temperature highly-corrosive radioactive salts is ... challenging.

4. Breeders produce plutonium. And now you have two, or more, problems.

5. Yet Another Challenging Proposition.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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> Bottom line: we need large scale carbon capture quickly The short term solution/bandaid is pumping SO2 into the stratosphere while we figure out carbon capture.

Is there anything left to really "figure out" about carbon capture? The tech works, it's just too expensive. Given a sufficient amount of cheap enough energy it could be scaled up as far as I understand. As a layperson, it's just one more reason I so wish we'd invest in nuclear. Nuclear powered DAC plants might be the only way to scale it fast enough. Sure, it would still be expensive, but that's much cheaper than no…

I think it's way, way too expensive now, and it will probably take a few decades to get it down to practically useful cost levels.

Which is why keeping temperature down with SO2 during that time makes sense.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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An eruption significant enough to impact solar and wind generation globally will also affect other critical requirements of humanity, and the Earth's ecosystem, globally. Which is to say: You Will Be Having Bigger Problems. Recovery from regional meterological catastrophes is well within human capabilities.

Bigger problems than no power in the worst year imaginable. Give me a break.

Yeah. Crop failures and famine. Way bigger problem.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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When I read that first sentence, I thought “what has cloud (software) to do with this”

Not series, maybe a bit serious: Cloud computing energy use appears to be on an exponential trend driven by general trends (all things automated), with new forms of automation compounding competitive pressures (deep learning models quickly getting larger, more powerful, more useful, and more versatile in a way erasing many lines holding back past competition.) At some point, it seems inevitable that computing usage w…

I’m so ready to deploy to the EARTH-LUNAR-1 region and backup to JUP-EUROPA-1.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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When I read that first sentence, I thought “what has cloud (software) to do with this”

Not series, maybe a bit serious: Cloud computing energy use appears to be on an exponential trend driven by general trends (all things automated), with new forms of automation compounding competitive pressures (deep learning models quickly getting larger, more powerful, more useful, and more versatile in a way erasing many lines holding back past competition.) At some point, it seems inevitable that computing usage w…

How significant a climate change factor is waste heat energy across all sources currently?

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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Bigger problems than no power in the worst year imaginable. Give me a break.

Yeah. Crop failures and famine. Way bigger problem.

And depending on the eruption, for anywhere from years to centuries or longer.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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I have a hard time trusting climate data from before we had satellites or other forms of precise automated recording. If climate scientists are telling us they _know_ detailed information about global atmospheric temperatures, greenhouse gas concentrations, etc. over millions years because they cored some ice from a select set of places on earth, I just don't know how an average person is supposed to believe that. It…

There are thousands and thousands of papers with specific models. Do you have specific criticism of any of them other than a hand-wavy "I don't understand them, so they are probably untrustworthy"?

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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120k years ago in context: * 170,000 years ago: humans are wearing clothing by this date. * 125,000 years ago: the peak of the Eemian interglacial period. * ~120,000 years ago: possibly the earliest evidence of use of symbols etched onto bone * 75,000 years ago: Toba Volcano supereruption that may have contributed to human populations being lowered to about 15,000 people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_preh…

"75,000 years ago: Toba Volcano supereruption that may have contributed to human populations being lowered to about 15,000 people." The key question is: How much CO2 did that super-eruption emit into the atmosphere? In our hurry to attribute climate change to our meager impact on this planet, we tend to forget what horrors an eruption of this magnitude can cause. And who knows how many of them happened during the pas…

If you're trying to minimize human caused warming with the rare eruption of super volcanoes, it's pretty weak.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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As a "cloud person", I just want to add a few things to the description of how clouds affect the climate (and why high clouds have a wamring effect). All clouds are white, so they all reflect sunlight back into space (during the day), cooling the Earth. All clouds are (almost) black in the infra-red, meaning the amount of energy they emit in the infra-red is determined by their temperature. Colder clouds emit less en…

I wish I were a cloud person.

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