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IIRC the 'maps' made of organic materials were very much a rarity slash teaching aid for the later incarnations of traditional navigation cultures of the Pacific which we have surviving material on. Mostly they used mental maps, and of course the most sensitive instruments available at the time ... at least one example of which was hanging their balls off the edge of the canoe to see if they could detect a temperatur…
Yes, I would believe that some as fragile as the stick maps was no way to cross an ocean. What I think is interesting is the physical representation of an oral tradition. This is different than writing as employed today.
Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock
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#232That's a rate of about 4.3 centimeters per hour. Can anybody elaborate as to why this process takes so long?
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Who knew, drilling is O(N^2)
It's not O(N^2) is it? It can be a continuous line of ice being pushed up. Depending on the weight bearing ability of the lift and digging capacity, you would figure out a fixed distance after which you would place the buckets to carry up the ice. Its an interesting interview question at the very least. (More complications arise as and how you get deeper into the ice).
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Yes, I would believe that some as fragile as the stick maps was no way to cross an ocean. What I think is interesting is the physical representation of an oral tradition. This is different than writing as employed today.
Yep. All art is interesting for its relative flattening of multi-dimensional realities in to lesser-dimensional representations. Key concerns for the navigators were signals such as migration patterns, seaweed and other flotsam drift currents, temperatures of said currents, star positions, wave qualities, dominant wind directions, conditions and precipitation and cloud over seasons. These dynamic realities cannot be…
What I seem to be noticing is that the ancients used calculus all the time but it was the geometric tools that they used.
This gave technology a form.
Arabic numerals made tabular data more useful leading to the more number based tools.
This seems to have removed the form from technology.
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Do you know what a hole from the surface to the molten core is called? An active volcano.
Yeah, I realized that after I commented, and when I googled it, the Quora answer I got basically boiled down to "you don't know what will come back out."
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Iirc, the CO2 concentration now as been pumped up higher than it was then, which is in part what is worrying because temps might then potentially shoot even higher. Bottom line: we need large scale carbon capture quickly because even if we reach net zero CO2 will take millenia to drop back to the level it was pre-industrial revolution. Edit: I wouldn't focus on "pre-industrial levels" specifically, the point is that…
> Bottom line: we need large scale carbon capture quickly The short term solution/bandaid is pumping SO2 into the stratosphere while we figure out carbon capture.
Because it would be expensive, but it would kill several birds with one stone: we (1) prove whether the concept would work on Mars, (2) develop the technology to do it, and (3) unlike SO2 in the atmosphere, "switching it off" or modifying the scale of the effect can be done almost instantly (you could remove the swarm by having it fall back to an Earth orbit).
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Do you know what a hole from the surface to the molten core is called? An active volcano.
Scary thought but you’d (have to) stop digging way above the molten part. It heats up way above 100C long before you get there, which should be plenty for geothermal energy. I wonder if sustained high temperature exposure would gradually decompose plastic / toxic waste / other bad things into less harmful components. Of course, heavy elements came from down there, so it’s probably not an issue to dump them back down.…
Better to do that stuff at the surface, I think.
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I didn't realize that the vast majority of the time Earth is in an ice age. What causes it periodically like this?
ice ages didn't happen until after the asteroid strike. Antarctica moving into the south pole is likely a large part of it, but they don't really understand ice ages that well TBO. Anyhoo, the Earth was a lot warmer prior to the strike and we have been going through extinction events every 100k years.
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120k years ago in context: * 170,000 years ago: humans are wearing clothing by this date. * 125,000 years ago: the peak of the Eemian interglacial period. * ~120,000 years ago: possibly the earliest evidence of use of symbols etched onto bone * 75,000 years ago: Toba Volcano supereruption that may have contributed to human populations being lowered to about 15,000 people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_preh…
This raises a very critical point. Nuclear is the only dependable energy source. Fossil fuels will run out or go out of favor. Solar and wind on the other hand will become victims of the next major volcanic eruption as ash destroys them or renders them ineffective.
Given that we're so close to being able to do it, we honestly need a Manhattan project initiative to push it through to reality (with the outcome being the machine and process to do the drilling).
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"The only known natural concentration empirically compatible with long-term human civilisation". "The planet did exist/will exist just fine without us" is a pretty worn truism. You might as well wryly note that water isn't natural because everything was hydrogen once.
> empirically compatible with long-term human civilisation Empirically observed, atmospheric CO2 went from ~320ppm to ~410ppm from 1970 to 2020[0], during which period the human population more than doubled from ~3.7B to ~7.8B and yet deaths caused by climate dropped threefold[1] (not 1/3 the rate; 1/3 in absolute number). [0]: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/... [1]: https://library.wmo.i…
Polonium by that ultra-short-relative-term reckoning is not only harmless as it you still feel fine 10 minutes later, but actually healthsome as you rather feel refreshed by the delicious green tea you just drank in that 5-star hotel bar.