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Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

madeofpalk wrote: post #23

> It even overtook Safari as the second-most-popular browser in the world behind Chrome. [...] Despite running on Chromium, the same engine as Chrome, it has a lot of features even Chrome lacks, like collections and shopping features that can help you save money. And, of course, there's the recent rise of Bing Chat. There's a reason why I use it every day on some of the best laptops I review Then later, > Microsoft n…

That first quote... those are not the things I want from a browser. No, I don't want you to sell me stuff. No, I don't want to see your "collections". No, I don't want your chat. I want you to show me the pages I want to view. I'll tell you what they are; I don't want you to show me stuff that you think I want.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by bloopernova »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #15
Escapade5160 wrote: post #2

I can agree with this. Everywhere you look in windows you have Microsoft screaming EDGE. It's not enough to use their OS, Email client, Office apps, and gaming system. No we have to use their browser too.

> No we have to use their browser too. I switched my mother-in-law (nearly 70 years old) to a Chromebook and I made my SO switch her little PME from Windows to Ubuntu more than a year ago and she has zero issue. As for the rest of my family, they kept calling me on the phone over the years with Windows issue and... I made them all buy Mac computers. Life is better without Microsoft.

PME?

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by qwerty456127 »

The greatest feature of Chrome that made me use it initially always was how fast it was (Firefox with extensions is painfully slow on old computers while Chrome is perfectly fast everywhere although it can consume slightly more ram).

I expected the new Edge to be the same but to y surprise it has became very slow nowadays.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by jamil7 »

wffurr wrote: post #33
cutler wrote: post #6

Maybe someone should dig out the EU browser bundling anti-trust case Microsoft lost in the early 2000s and enforce it.

Can we enforce it on all OS to allow changing default apps? Thinking of Safari on iOS…

You've been able to change the default browser on iOS for quite a while now. The underlying browser engine is the same, but non-technical users don't care and just want to sync bookmarks/passwords from Chrome/Firefox.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by teddyh »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #40
sylware wrote: post #9

edge is just a front-end using the googel Big Tech web engine from google. If they customize the web engine, it's only a posture to hide the fact that they were unable to code their own in spite of their billions. That said, they are big tech, they are all and the same.

Safari also forked from Chrome. Not just MS Edge. There was a joint collaboration between a lot of companies on 'chromium' (wasn't it webkit before?) and then that relationship soured and each forked it to their own browser. (I think Apple forked it first). It wasn't like the 'engine' was just some small open source project with beautiful code that MS stole. I also think you are little conflating the front end render…

> Safari also forked from Chrome.

No. Apple created Safari using WebKit (an Apple fork of KHTML). It was Chrome which was created based on WebKit (and eventually Google forked Webkit into Blink).

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by mrweasel »

Why does Microsoft even care about having a browser? I can see the need for a rendering engine within Windows for various tasks, but do we really need a Microsoft browser, especially yet another Chromium browser?

If they do feel like a browser needs to be bundled, why not just add a minimalist, privacy focused browser. The goal should be to have tech savvy people tell friends and family to "Just use Edge and you'll be fine".

It is just to drive people to Bing? If that's the case, just promote Bing, it's a good search engine.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by jamil7 »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #40
sylware wrote: post #9

edge is just a front-end using the googel Big Tech web engine from google. If they customize the web engine, it's only a posture to hide the fact that they were unable to code their own in spite of their billions. That said, they are big tech, they are all and the same.

Safari also forked from Chrome. Not just MS Edge. There was a joint collaboration between a lot of companies on 'chromium' (wasn't it webkit before?) and then that relationship soured and each forked it to their own browser. (I think Apple forked it first). It wasn't like the 'engine' was just some small open source project with beautiful code that MS stole. I also think you are little conflating the front end render…

Safari was not forked from Chrome. Safari's engine, WebKit is an open-source browser engine originally forked from KHTML/KJS. Chrome's current engine, Blink is a fork of this.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by coldacid »

mrweasel wrote: post #46

Why does Microsoft even care about having a browser? I can see the need for a rendering engine within Windows for various tasks, but do we really need a Microsoft browser, especially yet another Chromium browser? If they do feel like a browser needs to be bundled, why not just add a minimalist, privacy focused browser. The goal should be to have tech savvy people tell friends and family to "Just use Edge and you'll b…

Edge made a lot more sense when it had its own rendering engine instead of being yet another Chromium paint-job. The EdgeHTML engine was actually doing a good job of catching up with everything before Microsoft made the switch, too.

The growing Chrome/Blink monoculture is one of the biggest threats to the web right now in a way worse than IE6 ever was, and by switching to Chromium from EdgeHTML, Microsoft only made the problem worse.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

jamil7 wrote: post #47
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari also forked from Chrome. Not just MS Edge. There was a joint collaboration between a lot of companies on 'chromium' (wasn't it webkit before?) and then that relationship soured and each forked it to their own browser. (I think Apple forked it first). It wasn't like the 'engine' was just some small open source project with beautiful code that MS stole. I also think you are little conflating the front end render…

Safari was not forked from Chrome. Safari's engine, WebKit is an open-source browser engine originally forked from KHTML/KJS. Chrome's current engine, Blink is a fork of this.

I just meant that they all worked on the same engine. Who forked who, or how's on first. Doesn't change the point, that all 3 big players were all working on same engine (fork of same), so it wasn't MS 'stealing' some small indie open source project.

At one point in time, Apple and Google were both working on this, and I had order wrong, Google was the one that forked first to go off and do their own thing that became Chromium, which then went on to be used by Edge. And Safari continued on with different fork, (or maybe trunk? it has split so many times, not really sure how is forking who).

"" On April 3, 2013, Google announced that it would produce a fork of WebKit's WebCore component, to be named Blink. Chrome's developers decided on the fork to allow greater freedom in implementing WebCore's features in the browser without causing conflicts upstream, and to allow simplifying its codebase by removing code for WebCore components unused by Chrome. In relation to Opera Software's announcement earlier in the year that it would switch to WebKit by means of the Chromium codebase, it was confirmed that the Opera web browser would also switch to Blink.[44] Following the announcement, WebKit developers began discussions on removing Chrome-specific code from the engine to streamline its codebase.[80] WebKit no longer has any Chrome specific code (e.g., buildsystem, V8 JavaScript engine hooks, platform code, etc.). ""

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by croutonwagon »

tentacleuno wrote: post #19
LBTables wrote: post #7

I keep hearing "Edge actually isn't bad anymore", but as long as Microsoft continues to try and jam it down my throat at any conceivable opportunity, I will continue to refuse to even consider it. Very few things piss me off more than the other Microsoft products that feel the need to override my default browser and open pages in Edge instead. And on top of that, last time something launched Edge instead of Firefox,…

I echo your concerns, and add that I find it slightly humorous Edge is also being offered on Linux. I've spent hours working to remove it from Windows; why would I willingly install it?

1. Makes things like the Teams PWA easy in linux.

2. Allows me to access browser tabs and searches from work logins etc.

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