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Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by hef19898 »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #8
hef19898 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run Ubuntu on Lenovo Extreme Gen 2, and hiberbation just works fine (I don't rember if I did some BIOS tweaking so). Battery consumption during hibernation seems to be higher than Windows, but that's about it.

> Battery consumption during hibernation seems to be higher than Windows, but that's about it. Are you actually hibernating it, or doing the "hybrid sleep" thing, which only sleeps and then hibernates? In my case (Arch) the default for hybrid sleep is to keep it in sleep state for quite a while, whereas windows shuts down fairly quickly when unplugged. Actual hibernation is shutting the computer completely off, so I'…

Ah, that could be it... But then I only used standby and shutdown under Windows as well anyway...

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by Already__Taken »

TheRealSteel wrote: post #10
Escapade5160 wrote: post #2

I can agree with this. Everywhere you look in windows you have Microsoft screaming EDGE. It's not enough to use their OS, Email client, Office apps, and gaming system. No we have to use their browser too.

Don't forget "We ran into a problem so we changed your default PDF program to Microsoft Edge" that just happens to conveniently occur

as far as i can tell Teams will not open links in the default browser it's hard coded to edge://

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

sylware wrote: post #9

edge is just a front-end using the googel Big Tech web engine from google. If they customize the web engine, it's only a posture to hide the fact that they were unable to code their own in spite of their billions. That said, they are big tech, they are all and the same.

It doesn't matter who wrote the engine. If it did, they wouldn't replace it.

It's about control.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by ta1243 »

Already__Taken wrote: post #12
TheRealSteel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget "We ran into a problem so we changed your default PDF program to Microsoft Edge" that just happens to conveniently occur

as far as i can tell Teams will not open links in the default browser it's hard coded to edge://

The linux client is hard coded to whatever it's builting browser is (some chromium bit?)

It's a right pain as it means when I get an authentication popup I can't use my integrated password manager like I can with say Slack's authentication popups.

(yes I know that integrating browsers with pw managers are bad)

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by TacticalCoder »

Escapade5160 wrote: post #2

I can agree with this. Everywhere you look in windows you have Microsoft screaming EDGE. It's not enough to use their OS, Email client, Office apps, and gaming system. No we have to use their browser too.

> No we have to use their browser too.

I switched my mother-in-law (nearly 70 years old) to a Chromebook and I made my SO switch her little PME from Windows to Ubuntu more than a year ago and she has zero issue.

As for the rest of my family, they kept calling me on the phone over the years with Windows issue and... I made them all buy Mac computers.

Life is better without Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by rhaway84773 »

cutler wrote: post #6

Maybe someone should dig out the EU browser bundling anti-trust case Microsoft lost in the early 2000s and enforce it.

There’s a reason why MS is doing this stuff now.

The probationary period they were under has now expired.

Someone will indeed need to sue them again to make them behave reasonably.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by fifticon »

sylware wrote: post #9

edge is just a front-end using the googel Big Tech web engine from google. If they customize the web engine, it's only a posture to hide the fact that they were unable to code their own in spite of their billions. That said, they are big tech, they are all and the same.

To phrase what another said in a different way/take: They don't care about whether they themselves are the source of the source-code. What matters to them is the ability to inject their control and telemetry in the user's pipeline, on top of "chrome". This is particularly why I don't want to use Edge, and don't want them to force me to use edge. It is currently interesting, the level of violence you have to resort to, to 'uninstall' edge. It feels very win95-98-dejavu again, where the browser has been welded so thoroughly into the OS, that you need dynamite to dislodge it. As I understand it, the leverage we still have to disable it, is founded on the requirements for windows enterprise, since enterprise companies will not tolerate such bullshit.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by vladvasiliu »

hef19898 wrote: post #11
vladvasiliu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Battery consumption during hibernation seems to be higher than Windows, but that's about it. Are you actually hibernating it, or doing the "hybrid sleep" thing, which only sleeps and then hibernates? In my case (Arch) the default for hybrid sleep is to keep it in sleep state for quite a while, whereas windows shuts down fairly quickly when unplugged. Actual hibernation is shutting the computer completely off, so I'…

Ah, that could be it... But then I only used standby and shutdown under Windows as well anyway...

I'm not a regular windows user, so I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that, by default, windows will keep the computer in "sleep" mode if it's plugged in, and pretty quickly put it in hibernate if it's asleep and unplugged.

The way I found out is this one time I left work with my laptop under windows and asleep.When I arrived home an hour later, it had to go through the full bios setup (which you can't miss since it's ridiculously slow) and then it went and booted Linux (it's the default boot setup). When I rebooted back to windows, I found my previous stuff open. Since this happened again a few times, I figured it was normal behavior.

My default Linux install won't automatically hibernate while asleep as long as the battery is above some threshold, like 10%. And since the computer doesn't support S3, only "modern standby", it will chew through the battery like no tomorrow.

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by tentacleuno »

LBTables wrote: post #7

I keep hearing "Edge actually isn't bad anymore", but as long as Microsoft continues to try and jam it down my throat at any conceivable opportunity, I will continue to refuse to even consider it. Very few things piss me off more than the other Microsoft products that feel the need to override my default browser and open pages in Edge instead. And on top of that, last time something launched Edge instead of Firefox,…

I echo your concerns, and add that I find it slightly humorous Edge is also being offered on Linux. I've spent hours working to remove it from Windows; why would I willingly install it?

Re: Microsoft is trying too hard with Edge

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Post by MayeulC »

hef19898 wrote: post #5
beardyw wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be caused by inconsistencies in the power handling hardware. I now have a laptop which came with Linux installed and it's the first time it's worked!

I run Ubuntu on Lenovo Extreme Gen 2, and hiberbation just works fine (I don't rember if I did some BIOS tweaking so). Battery consumption during hibernation seems to be higher than Windows, but that's about it.

The system is not supposed to draw any power while hibernating (suspend-to-disk). Maybe you're thinking of suspend-to-ram (sleep)?

To diagnose hibernation issues, I'd double check the kernel command line (resume=) argument. That it's still the right location.

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