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The Secretive World of Penile Enlargement

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Re: The Secretive World of Penile Enlargement

#31

This is so sad. I think there is an underdiscussed crisis with some segments of men.

This vaguely reminds me of self-image problems vs. unreasonably beauty standards that we mainly associate with young women.

It’s definitely quite different in that everyone in public sees a girl’s face and the shape of her body, whereas penises are hidden by default. Also the “toxic” standard for women is everywhere across media, whereas excepting pure pornography penises are rarely and briefly shown.

But these stories are so sad. These men feel ashamed of their bodies for not “measuring up” — is this phrase itself perhaps a link between penis size and masculinity/value that is ingrained into our very language?

There has been a big effort for years to call out the harms of, e.g., airbrushing in advertising, to push for including more plus-sized models, and to generally expand the notion of beauty for women.

I don’t think there’s any such effort to claim that, say, all penises are beautiful, all men are attractive, and so on. The mere suggestion seems utterly foreign to our conception of manhood. We have billionaires and presidents still boasting about their penises. What a crazy thing to make a point of pride and shame.

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#32
Reading this made me extremely uneasy. My impression - perhaps it's just being hopeful for a material solution for a psychosis of the mind. But when I think on that impression isn't a pill just about any fleeting vice the same as what these men have suffered. Maybe I'm not better. We need avenues to help each other. To talk with another. Maybe there's an opportunity to create something?

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#33

IIRC the Kamasutra says there's 3 genital sizes for both men and women; big (horse/elephant), medium (bull/mare) and small (hare/deer). It says you can have great sex with up to 1 size difference, and although the woman being one size smaller is preferable to her being one size bigger, it calls equal unions the most perfect ones. And that's just refering to vaginal intercourse itself, of course there is so much more…

To add to your point, I think the article highlights one reason to be interested in the procedure that is not about body obsession:

> after five kids, their wife couldn’t feel them anymore

Seems like today this can only be remedied by a woman with kegel exercises, and if she is not up for it, there is nothing you can do as a man to shrink the size gap.

Re: The Secretive World of Penile Enlargement

#34

This is so sad. I think there is an underdiscussed crisis with some segments of men.

This vaguely reminds me of self-image problems vs. unreasonably beauty standards that we mainly associate with young women. It’s definitely quite different in that everyone in public sees a girl’s face and the shape of her body, whereas penises are hidden by default. Also the “toxic” standard for women is everywhere across media, whereas excepting pure pornography penises are rarely and briefly shown. But these stori…

With men it may be hidden, but it affects "measuring up" as you say in exactly the way that matters to most straight men: having more (or even any!) sexual partners, especially as supposedly they're having less sex than ever[0]. It's one of the many factors in the toolbox fallacy: "If only I was 'big' enough, I'd be more confident with women".

[0]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/young-adults-especial...

Re: The Secretive World of Penile Enlargement

#35

Back when I was a regular listener to talk radio, the ads for PE snake oil were absolutely ubiquitous. They aired more than any other product I can remember (except maybe Bose Wave radio). I never knew how to feel for this target audience. It sucks people are vulnerable to obvious snake oil ads. It also sucks that PE is a thing that's important to people. Male body shaming is weird and oogy.

They're still on AM radio, along with the "buy gold" ones. It's weird.

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#36
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is a thing and one that I have witnessed but not on HN. And yeah, there are studies indicating white women as having the largest (or maybe second, black women were up there) racial ingroup bias in dating [0] [0]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840

This looks like men dislike black women, and women like men of their own race.

I agree, but the magnitude of the preference for men overall is smaller.

Men appear to be mostly anti-black and otherwise agnostic, whereas women have strong in group preference.

Re: The Secretive World of Penile Enlargement

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post #33

IIRC the Kamasutra says there's 3 genital sizes for both men and women; big (horse/elephant), medium (bull/mare) and small (hare/deer). It says you can have great sex with up to 1 size difference, and although the woman being one size smaller is preferable to her being one size bigger, it calls equal unions the most perfect ones. And that's just refering to vaginal intercourse itself, of course there is so much more…

To add to your point, I think the article highlights one reason to be interested in the procedure that is not about body obsession: > after five kids, their wife couldn’t feel them anymore Seems like today this can only be remedied by a woman with kegel exercises, and if she is not up for it, there is nothing you can do as a man to shrink the size gap.

who's to say she isn't trying? gotta pick up the slack, kinda like how there's an option for male birth control.

Re: The Secretive World of Penile Enlargement

#38

IIRC the Kamasutra says there's 3 genital sizes for both men and women; big (horse/elephant), medium (bull/mare) and small (hare/deer). It says you can have great sex with up to 1 size difference, and although the woman being one size smaller is preferable to her being one size bigger, it calls equal unions the most perfect ones. And that's just refering to vaginal intercourse itself, of course there is so much more…

I wonder what the kama sutra's model has to say about surveys indicating that women who have sex with women tend to have significantly more satisfying sex lives than women who have sex with men. Presumably, for the purposes of the model that its authors are getting at, the magnitude of "size mismatch" between two mares is infinitely greater than that of a mare and a horse or hare. Which might imply that the model is…

Strap-ons come in any size. It can be difficult to find ones which allow full control / subtleties but the harnesses from Aslan leather do a pretty impressive job of providing full control over the dildo.

Re: The Secretive World of Penile Enlargement

#39

IIRC the Kamasutra says there's 3 genital sizes for both men and women; big (horse/elephant), medium (bull/mare) and small (hare/deer). It says you can have great sex with up to 1 size difference, and although the woman being one size smaller is preferable to her being one size bigger, it calls equal unions the most perfect ones. And that's just refering to vaginal intercourse itself, of course there is so much more…

I wonder what the kama sutra's model has to say about surveys indicating that women who have sex with women tend to have significantly more satisfying sex lives than women who have sex with men. Presumably, for the purposes of the model that its authors are getting at, the magnitude of "size mismatch" between two mares is infinitely greater than that of a mare and a horse or hare. Which might imply that the model is…

I didn't mean to cite it as an authority on everything, but the bit about genital sizes struck me as sensible, certainly more sensible than just obsessing about having a huge penis.
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