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Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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Cannot generalize outside the US

I genuinely can't work out what part of this video you think is US-specific. America is far from the only country in the world that has municipality logos on infrastructure, house numbers, or OSM coverage. There's certainly regions of the world where doing this would be much more challenging (e.g., Central Africa, China, rural India), but the stuff he covered in the video is going to be extremely helpful in the vast…

Not exactly US-specific, but Streetview isn't available everywhere. How would he have found the exact location without it? Would be quite interesting!

Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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Checking on numberplates and bin logos was hardly groundbreaking, as those are exactly where I would have started too. However, I had never heard of Overpass Turbo [0]. Learning of its existence was the only valuable take from this video for me, but well worth it. [0] https://overpass-turbo.eu/

Basically, that is the gist of the vid, the rest is more or less common sense, I guess.

A short & catchy variation of "Overpass turbo - a super powerful mining tool for OSM" would be a more appropriate title [0][1]. It exists since 2013 but got a massive boost from the Pokémon Go craze in 2016 [2].

[0]https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo

[1]https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API

[2]https://www.itechpost.com/articles/34612/20160930/pokemon-go...

Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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Getting http 403 errors in NewPipe after the first minute of watching. After twitter and reddit, I guess it's time to wall another garden :( wish people would at least cross-post information to literally any other website (so there's a semblance of market forces—reasons to be nicer to use than the competition—and not just 1 place you have to use)

There's a transcript here, but not very readable:

https://youtubetranscript.com/?v=rl2Q9xH8e7M

Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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I wonder how hard it would be to develop/train a machine learning method that ingests a photo of anywhere outside and maps it to corresponding satellite/aerial imagery.

We are of course very good at object recognition from still images. We are reasonably good at inferring depth from a single still image (monocular depth estimation [0-2]).

Combining these, we should be reasonably good at determining relative positioning of identified objects in 3D, and thus computing their overhead 2D positions. Imagine discretizing overhead x/y positions, essentially yielding an image where each pixel corresponds to a 1 meter square looking down, whose color is the inferred identity of what occupies it.

For example, in the linked album cover, we could infer that a street occupies a set of pixels with coordinates S = {(x1, y1),...(xN, yN)}; a building occupies pixel set B1 = {(xb1, yb1),...(xbM, ybM)}; another building pixel set B2; etc.

Now, we are also reasonably good at object recognition (and MDE) for overhead imagery [3]. This would let us build a giant set of overhead object identities inferred from the entirety of satellite imagery. The tricky part would be efficiently indexing this, such that the overhead coordinate sets inferred from the ground-level image could be quickly (and fuzzily) queried in the satellite data. A brute-force approach would essentially convolve the overhead object coordinates inferred from the ground-level image over every region of the satellite imagery, at every possible angular orientation (and likely several different scales, since MDE is often imperfect at inferring absolute depth), but this would be impractically slow.

I would bet that intelligence agencies have had this capability for some time now.

[0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095070512...

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-20909-x

[2] https://keras.io/examples/vision/depth_estimation/

[3] https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/12/17/2719

Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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I wonder how hard it would be to develop/train a machine learning method that ingests a photo of anywhere outside and maps it to corresponding satellite/aerial imagery. We are of course very good at object recognition from still images. We are reasonably good at inferring depth from a single still image (monocular depth estimation [0-2]). Combining these, we should be reasonably good at determining relative positioni…

There was an article about that on HN in the last few weeks. I struggled to find that specific post, but I think this is the same story. https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/15/pigeon_model_geolocat...

Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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Maybe this is common knowledge in the US, but like, you're just supposed to know what Kentucky number plates look like from a blurry image, and you're also supposed to know the logo of a sports club? Cool.

Also, picture has to contain all these clues of course, conveniently, including a couple of street numbers.

Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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post #2

Cannot generalize outside the US

I genuinely can't work out what part of this video you think is US-specific. America is far from the only country in the world that has municipality logos on infrastructure, house numbers, or OSM coverage. There's certainly regions of the world where doing this would be much more challenging (e.g., Central Africa, China, rural India), but the stuff he covered in the video is going to be extremely helpful in the vast…

One thing I noticed that doesn't generalize is exactly those house numbers. Depending on house numbering scheme, a house number may effectively be useless. Here in Israel house numbers are just sequential and most streets aren't that long, so what are you going to do with a number like "17" which appears in almost every street in the country?

Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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Maybe this is common knowledge in the US, but like, you're just supposed to know what Kentucky number plates look like from a blurry image, and you're also supposed to know the logo of a sports club? Cool. Also, picture has to contain all these clues of course, conveniently, including a couple of street numbers.

I think one of the lessons here is how many kinds of clues like that there are, once you know what to look for.

Re: How to find a street in 2 minutes [video]

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Checking on numberplates and bin logos was hardly groundbreaking, as those are exactly where I would have started too. However, I had never heard of Overpass Turbo [0]. Learning of its existence was the only valuable take from this video for me, but well worth it. [0] https://overpass-turbo.eu/

And in this case I think it would have been a lot of work to identify the number plate & bin logo if he hadn’t already had enough context to make a probable guess. The source image he was working from looked pretty low-res, that license plate was just a couple white-ish pixels. Like you, I hadn’t heard of overpass turbo and that looks super cool, but the rest of it was “how to confirm what you already mostly know”.
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