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Alcohol without the hangover – scientists are finding ways

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Post by ffhhttt »

_yb2s wrote: post #165
klardotsh wrote: post #155

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Alcohol and caffeine are the only two drugs I can think of (okay, in some circles maybe cannabis too) where the response to "I cut this thing out of my life" is often "why?" or "you know you could still do a little?" One exercise to illustrate the ridiculousness and disrespect of phrases like that is to replace "alcohol" with "crack". "I don't do crack anymore" would basically never be responded to with "you know, yo…

That’s an absurd comparison… crack is no where near as harmful as alcohol

Clearly you’re bot talking about per capita harm?

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Post by thesaintlives »

ramraj07 wrote: post #216
01100011 wrote: post #196

There are many other alcohols, 2M2B( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tert-Amyl_alcohol ) for example, which are "alcohol without the hangover" in a sense. I seem to remember a scientist looking into ways to deliver these alcohols(absorbed in cellulose IIRC). You'll note that these chemicals, like alcohol, can also lead to overdoses and since they are much more potent it is even more difficult to ensure one does not ove…

I hope you can see that your friends are alcoholics. Drinking 18 of any alcoholic drink shouldn't be considered normal as much as the surroundings might indicate otherwise.

I think you mean masochists not alcoholics. Coors lite is the most disgusting beer known to man!

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Post by awelxtr »

yurishimo wrote: post #157
laurels-marts wrote: post #99

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> 3,5% is actually the maximum ABV you can get in supermarkets in Sweden by law. For anything higher ABV than that you need to go to the government-owned chain called Systembolaget Jesus that sounds terrible. I get the good intent I suppose but the hell..

There are US states with monopolies on liquor sales too. It’s not that bad. The plus side is they are usually very clean and don’t let people hang around all day. It’s strictly business and that’s a good thing.

Systembolaget is a pretty good shop. They offer a wide range of products and in the case of wines they tell you what kind of food the product goes well with

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

laurels-marts wrote: post #99
adamfarhadi wrote: post #88

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3,5% is actually the maximum ABV you can get in supermarkets in Sweden by law. For anything higher ABV than that you need to go to the government-owned chain called Systembolaget or go to a bar or restaurant that has a license to serve alcohol. Because of the restrictions though, craft breweries have been making some great <3,5% beers that they sell at supermarkets.

> 3,5% is actually the maximum ABV you can get in supermarkets in Sweden by law. For anything higher ABV than that you need to go to the government-owned chain called Systembolaget Jesus that sounds terrible. I get the good intent I suppose but the hell..

IIRC Utah limits beer to 4% statewide - the major breweries make Utah-specific versions.

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Post by gniv »

m0llusk wrote: post #117
gniv wrote: post #47

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I was first introduced to 3% beer in Norway. It was crazy expensive (due to taxes on alcohol) and really good. I was disappointed that I couldn't find anything similar in the US.

There is currently a big surge in low alcohol concentration brewing with a range of new options available. You should check out distributors for more. I find many options at Whole Foods so this stuff must be approaching the mainstream.

Yes, mostly very low alcohol iirc (0.5). I am now living in France and the selection in low-alcohol is very limited, mostly German beers.

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Post by rodary »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #250
rodary wrote: post #245

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Former elite cyclist, Russian. Can confirm, drinking in cycling circles at elite level is normal. Heavy drinking that is, even before races. Doesn't seem to have any effect on performance the next day. Then again, we're talking 20-25 yo males with 10-15 years of endurance training.

well, it kinda seems that drinking in any circle in Russia is more normal than other countries. Maybe it doesn't seem to have an effect because the others are drunk too every time ? Ι wonder what would the effect be if someone got drunk just once before a race.

> Ι wonder what would the effect be if someone got drunk just once before a race.

Not sure, depends on a person I guess. My first time was ok.

Mind you, it's not like we were drinking all the time, more like occasionally, usually between big blocks of training or racing and never before anything important.

The off-season though, that was wild. It had to be for sanity's sake.

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

khalilravanna wrote: post #164
adhesive_wombat wrote: post #158

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For me: being around drunk people for hours on end gets very tedious and you're no longer desensitised to your eardrums being pounded into the centre of your brain by the "less talking, more drinking" music volume.

God the absurdly loud music sucks. I don’t care what I’m inebriated by or how inebriated I am, it’s obnoxious. Bonus obnoxious-points to the restaurants who blast music. There’s two I can think of in Boston and while the food was great I’ll never go back because I could barely talk to my partner. Like, what’s the purpose of music that loud in that setting?

I think the purpose is to make you drink more when you're there because you can't talk and then to get you to vamoose and free the table for another diner rather than having a pleasant-to-you but unprofitable-to-them postprandial chat.

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Post by miduil »

Arch-TK wrote: post #150
thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #143

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I think we are overcorrecting to the extremes. You don't have to be sober or crippling drunk you can have a drink once in a while and it's fine.

I think most people who say "I've been X years sober" are usually recovering alcoholics (or almost alcoholics). In most cases (except the cases described above), alcoholism is something people are predisposed to. Some people get a high from the process of getting drunk (and stop feeling that high once they are no longer getting more drunk) these people are the ones who usually become alcoholics if they don't just dec…

I wouldn't say I was an alcoholic or a drug addict either. Just made the conscious decision that no-alcohol has more benefits/is simpler for me than trying to balance things out.

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Post by dbbk »

Arch-TK wrote: post #150
thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #143

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I think we are overcorrecting to the extremes. You don't have to be sober or crippling drunk you can have a drink once in a while and it's fine.

I think most people who say "I've been X years sober" are usually recovering alcoholics (or almost alcoholics). In most cases (except the cases described above), alcoholism is something people are predisposed to. Some people get a high from the process of getting drunk (and stop feeling that high once they are no longer getting more drunk) these people are the ones who usually become alcoholics if they don't just dec…

Yeah you can certainly get in a state where your brain gets chemically unbalanced and addicted to the dopamine hit of a drink. I could never have one drink, once I'd had one my brain would want more and more and all logic would go out the window, it would be a death spiral until I blackout. Even though I'm a smart guy and know that will happen.

I recently started on Naltrexone which is a opioid blocker which stops the brain from getting this pleasure reward, and it's a game changer. Now I feel no euphoria when I drink at all, and I can stop whenever I want. Would seriously recommend everyone struggling to look into it.

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