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Alcohol without the hangover – scientists are finding ways

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Post by HWR_14 »

shaunxcode wrote: post #144
thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are overcorrecting to the extremes. You don't have to be sober or crippling drunk you can have a drink once in a while and it's fine.

It’s also ok to be completely sober. In general if someone tells you they are sober it’s not a great idea to suggest they have a drink on occasion.

It's fine to be completely sober, and also fine to tell people you are. If you jump into a conversation about people drinking without hangovers to talk about how you have been sober and recommend others also become sober, then you have to expect someone to reply that moderation is better. Maybe not for the poster (whatever works for them, and if miduil had issues in the past congrats on overcoming them) but for average reader.

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Post by HWR_14 »

thesz wrote: post #137

My personal trainer once told me that athletes that become alcoholics belong to either endurance sports of various kinds or to archer or pistol shooting. The shooting sportsmen use small amounts of alcohol to reduce tremor [1], and small amounts of alcohol became bigger with time. [1] https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jhe1972/14/2/14_2_99/_p... The situation in endurance sports is very different. Very elevated cou…

There supposedly are some health properties for endurance athletes with the non-alcohol parts of beer. I think the German team brings non-alcoholic beer to the Olympics. If the alcohol doesn't bother them, I can see many athletes drinking a lot.

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Post by margalabargala »

klardotsh wrote: post #155
shaunxcode wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also ok to be completely sober. In general if someone tells you they are sober it’s not a great idea to suggest they have a drink on occasion.

Alcohol and caffeine are the only two drugs I can think of (okay, in some circles maybe cannabis too) where the response to "I cut this thing out of my life" is often "why?" or "you know you could still do a little?" One exercise to illustrate the ridiculousness and disrespect of phrases like that is to replace "alcohol" with "crack". "I don't do crack anymore" would basically never be responded to with "you know, yo…

In the case above, that's because it was invited.

Saying "I cut this thing out of my life" is one thing, it's another to say "I cut this thing out of my life, and so should you". The former is a statement about one's own preferences; the latter introduces a conversation about how much of the thing should be in the lives of the people in the discussion.

That's two people expressing opinions about how often the other ought have that thing in their life. The person who initiated that should know that.

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Post by kalleboo »

laurels-marts wrote: post #99
adamfarhadi wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3,5% is actually the maximum ABV you can get in supermarkets in Sweden by law. For anything higher ABV than that you need to go to the government-owned chain called Systembolaget or go to a bar or restaurant that has a license to serve alcohol. Because of the restrictions though, craft breweries have been making some great <3,5% beers that they sell at supermarkets.

> 3,5% is actually the maximum ABV you can get in supermarkets in Sweden by law. For anything higher ABV than that you need to go to the government-owned chain called Systembolaget Jesus that sounds terrible. I get the good intent I suppose but the hell..

The history of it goes back to the same era when the US implemented prohibition. Sweden had a referendum about having prohibition as well, but the prohibitionists lost by a small margin, so instead of banning alcohol sales, they just kept the pre-existing WW1 rationing of alcohol in place even after the war ended. Eventually the rationing was removed but the government monopoly was kept in place.

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Post by amatecha »

thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #143
miduil wrote: post #109

I've been three+ years sober, really can recommend. Life is much different now, things that used to be fun aren't anymore - but I'm making strong connections nevertheless.

I think we are overcorrecting to the extremes. You don't have to be sober or crippling drunk you can have a drink once in a while and it's fine.

There are a lot of people who don't have the self-control to only "have a drink once in a while", and often their lives are adversely affected by their addition to alcohol. Don't suggest alcohol to people who have fought to stay sober and have to persistently work to resist the temptation.

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Post by tsol »

chasebank wrote: post #26
rdn wrote: post #18

Looks like a rebranding of GHB

I think you're right. I've always wondered why they don't water down GHB to be the equivalent of a low ABV drink. The only scary thing about GHB is its relative potency to volume. It's honestly a wonderful drug.

It's very addictive and can cause a strong dependence/withdrawal, thats why it's rarely used

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Post by az226 »

jrflowers wrote: post #118
boomskats wrote: post #102

I've had a subscription to David Nutt's Sentia Spirits [0] for a few months, which uses an extract from GABA Labs. I enjoy the mild effect and I do think they're onto something, but I have to mix it as it tastes a bit soapy (that's the red, I've yet to try sentia black). I like the idea that the subscription to Sentia funds the development of Alcarelle (the product mentioned in the article), but the overwhelming reas…

I like how the FAQ has many, many different wordings of “What is in this?” and “How does this work?” with absolutely no information in response to them. It is good to not to have to worry about what is in a thing I’m ingesting or how or if it works at all.

The most circular bs I’ve seen in a while.
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