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If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Post by SoftTalker »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #498
sershe wrote: post #489

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But I don't want to! I literally just walked to the store and it was in absoute perfect conditions - we wanted to go for a walk anyway, the weather is perfect (sunny but not hot), the store is 10min walk from my house, the neighborhood is nice and not drive-thru so there is ~0 non-local traffic. The plan was we go for a walk, and pop by a store and get one item. But as usual it never ends up being that way, so we had…

Not gonna lie, having a 10 minute walk ruined by carrying a bag home sounds like you maybe need to deadlift less and cardio more or something. Or maybe get better bags? Walking to stores is an advantage because it allows for a density of services unavailable if parking lots are a serious consideration for businesses. I can go to my local convenience store, and my barber, and a no-waste shop, and my local bar, all in…

Yeah if you're going to walk with groceries, use a mesh or canvas bag with handles, or a grocery basket/cart if you're buying more than a few items. Carrying paper bags sucks because you have to hold them in your arms and support the bottom of the bag.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Post by sagarm »

sershe wrote: post #424
kaibee wrote: post #419

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> I find I'd much rather drive to the mountains, or a lake, or at least a nice big park, and recreate there. This is not a sustainable solution to population level health needs, even if maybe in your particular situation you do actually get enough vacation days and free time on weekends to be able to do this (I also doubt this).

Well, a more sustainable solution is everyone exercising at home whenever they want in the way they want, or going for a run around the block. Going to the store by car + going for a run, is still faster and more convenient than walking to the store (per unit of exercise - e.g. driving to the store 10 times and running 2 miles vs walking 0.2 miles to the store).

In the real world, people in cities are healthier because physical activity is integrated into their daily routine.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Post by maxbond »

sershe wrote: post #503
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #498

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Not gonna lie, having a 10 minute walk ruined by carrying a bag home sounds like you maybe need to deadlift less and cardio more or something. Or maybe get better bags? Walking to stores is an advantage because it allows for a density of services unavailable if parking lots are a serious consideration for businesses. I can go to my local convenience store, and my barber, and a no-waste shop, and my local bar, all in…

I mountaineer too, it's just a chore to walk with groceries, esp. if the weather is bad and you have to do it every 3 days given how little one can carry. I think I mentioned the drinking aspect in the original comment. I could do all of these things by car, probably faster too... except drinking. So I guess it depends on how often one drinks :)

The paper bags they give you are terrible, they're barely fit to walk to the car with. They always fall apart on the walk home, and the ergonomics suck too. But with any reasonable bag I find it's not a big deal.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Post by SoftTalker »

dymk wrote: post #327
ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote: post #286

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Tinted windows are such a pet peeve of mine. I get it in the tropics but in most of America the individual benefits of dark tint seem like they’d be outweighed by the collective good of better visibility through cars, enabling eye contact with drivers, etc. The SUV craze is really to blame - in general many US states don’t allow dark tint on traditional cars but do on SUVs. And since rear windows on vans and light tr…

In most states (all?) it's illegal to have a tinted front window, yet people still have them, because it's not enforced. IMO cops should be citing people left and right for tinted windows and tinted license plate covers. You'd think they'd already be taking advantage of such an easy revenue source.

Cops are understaffed and overworked in any major city. They have bigger fish to fry than worrying about stuff like window tint or really most traffic infractions that aren't just totally reckless driving.

Basically, if it's something that would just be a ticket and a fine, and not an arrestable offense, chances are good they have something more urgent to deal with. Even if it's something they could make an arrest for, if the prosecutor is just going to dismiss the case, why bother?

Chickens are coming home to roost after the last few years.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Post by romusha »

Good, please discuss things like this more. No one wants to live an indignifies life like the climate activists typically (not all) promote. I come from a developing country and I certainly do not want to go back to live like I did. The people in developed country certainly wouldn't

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Post by ulfw »

aesclepius wrote: post #463
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Subjectively worse, not objectively worse. I think driving is much more convenient and nice for most things I like to do. The only exceptions I can think of are if I were a kid in a car-centric area (strangely, the thinking in the US is usually reversed, kids supposedly need to be in the burbs), or if I was drunk. I don't often get drunk, so I'd prefer to drive for everything from minor groceries to outdoor activitie…

Jesus it's objectively worse. NY/Chicago/London/Paris/Tokyo you can conceivably and easily nip out to a grocer's, bodega, cafe or pub within 10 minutes of where you are. LA? Outside of certain certain pockets like DTLA, KTown, WeHo or similar walking is tough and if your friend is across town you're SoL without a car.

This is exactly why I lived in Santa Monica when I lived in LA. One of the few walkables cities in the area (not all of SaMo mind you. Just talking about the area between Ocean and say 7th or 8th)

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Post by panzagl »

systems_glitch wrote: post #434
downWidOutaFite wrote: post #415

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Reminds me of the runin I had with someone from San Rafael north of SF. They corrected me when I pronounced it as the spanish name it is. Apparently it's officially pronounced ra-fell, and they're adamant about it.

Our town is Buena Vista, the first word is pronounced "Bew-nuh" -- and it's not strictly local, horse saddles were produced here in the early 1900s until I guess sometime before WW2, and old-timers who worked horses in the surrounding states know the local pronunciation! The conflict aversion way to pronounce it is "BV" :P

It's pronounced 'Bew-nuh' in both Virginia and Colorado.

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Post by nimbleplum40 »

sershe wrote: post #410
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Objectively we are still animals that need at least some movement. The environment described by the parent is hostile to our most basic needs.

I find I'd much rather drive to the mountains, or a lake, or at least a nice big park, and recreate there. Walking to a store in Amsterdam or Munich or Vancouver or Moscow was neither much fun nor a lot of exercise.

Build roads through natural environments is pretty bad for wildlife though and really harms the environment. It’s definitely not sustainable.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Post by msla »

reducesuffering wrote: post #409
msla wrote: post #391

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I've been all but shoved aside by cyclists on sidewalks. Don't try that crap with me.

If that was a car you'd have been dead. 20 people in the US died today because of that. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deat...

"Be glad you weren't killed, you ungrateful swine" isn't the tone cyclists should be taking in a thread about dignity.
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