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Re: The world’s largest wind turbine has been switched on

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> just one of these turbines should be able to produce enough electricity to power 36,000 households of three people each for one year

What is the point of adding a time component in there? They always say weird things like this that make me double take. "Wait... does one revolution power 36,000 homes for a YEAR???" What's really annoying is that they aren't even wrong, just annoying.

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The blade is usually manufactured as a single fiberglass piece. With how big this thing is I imagine it's manufactured somewhere directly at the shore, and just lifted onto a boat directly from the factory. The base is segments (shaped like calamari rings), which are big but usually can be transported by road, but the big ones probably can't pass under bridges.

How technically challenging is building(?) printing(?) these pieces? Presumably they need to withstand enormous amounts of strain. Can you produce an impromptu factory anywhere, or does this require sophisticated equipment that benefits from fixed installations?

It's a pretty complex and manual process. You need tons of space, and it's usually built with composites. It's pretty challenging to inspect them for flaws once they are built too.

Afaik, they are built in dedicated factories but usually on the same continent (at least!) as where they are going to get installed.

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That is crazy, but, on the other hand, seeing this rotate faster than once every two seconds would be insanely fast.

Here's turbine in Denmark that lost its brakes and disintegrated in 2008. The description says the tower was 60m tall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

You'd think there would be a backup brake kit on these

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If they do break the sound barrier, that's also when the efficiency drops iirc. So I guess they'll switch it to a heavier load or RPM, or apply the brakes? Not sure how that works for a wind turbine

I presume the pitch is adjustable, so unless the mechanism fails you can just relax the pitch like pointing a sailboat directly into the wind to depower the sails.

Even if pitch is adjustable the problem is very non-trivial given the size of the blades and different wind speeds and directions on different elevations. Putting the blades in no-power position along the main wind direction, but having small sidewind 200m above the surface would rotate it.

Re: The world’s largest wind turbine has been switched on

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I did the math, but we didn't hit 1.21 jigawatts

Back in the day, it was still spelled Giga but pronounced Jiga. I heard from some old-heads at power company.

Jigga What, Jigga Who

Hard Watt Life

Re: The world’s largest wind turbine has been switched on

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Here's turbine in Denmark that lost its brakes and disintegrated in 2008. The description says the tower was 60m tall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

You'd think there would be a backup brake kit on these

I thought they would feather the turbine blades so that they didn't generate rotation. Maybe that failed as well?

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the US Midwest has a ton of wind power, if you drive through there you have a decent chance of seeing a truck carrying a blade. pretty interesting stuff. obviously those are a lot smaller than this windmill though.

If you drive through Iowa, it seems like you will see nothing but windmills. Just an enormous amount of installed capacity.

I guess it makes sense that they put them near major roadways, for easier access, but I find driving through a wind farm to be intensely distracting. The rotation of the windmills during the day, and the strobing warning beacons at the top at night, really tend to pull my eyes off the road ahead.

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So are people, yet we are afraid of nuclear power…

Bird death from turbines small-scale and highly predictable. Deaths from nuclear can range from zero to regional catastrophe and it's basically impossible to predict when it'll happen and how bad it'll be. I'm not anti-nuclear, but the risk profile is SO different from wind.

> the risk profile is SO different from wind.

As is the power generation profile. Wind/solar/tidal are important to develop, and the risk profile should include whatever peaker or storage backs up the variability in generation.

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Pick your desired percentage of wind in the future energy mix. Even if we say 25%, it's still going to need millions of turbines. And our energy demands are not shrinking.

> And our energy demands are not shrinking. I think they should be, but even if they aren’t, there still is the observation that a kWh of electricity often can produce more of what we really want (light, motion, compute power) than a kWh of oil (about the only thing we can efficiently convert that into is heat) For example, Google tells me - petrol is about 12 kWh/kg, - the modern fiat 500 has a 47l gas tank, - Tesla…

Energy consumption is an indicator of living standards. I hope we harness and use much more reliable energy!

Re: The world’s largest wind turbine has been switched on

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In the 80s we had GROWIAN [1], which I found utterly fascinating as a kid. I have always been under the impression it proved that ultra-large turbines were a dead end. Maybe they will be rehabilitated? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growian EDIT: I always remembered GROWIAN as a single blade system, but apparently that was its successor Monopteros , which only ever reached the prototype stage.

I think significant advances in material science have allowed larger wind tubines blades, in particular carbon fiber polymers.
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