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Alcohol without the hangover – scientists are finding ways

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mvkel wrote: post #141
thesz wrote: post #137

My personal trainer once told me that athletes that become alcoholics belong to either endurance sports of various kinds or to archer or pistol shooting. The shooting sportsmen use small amounts of alcohol to reduce tremor [1], and small amounts of alcohol became bigger with time. [1] https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jhe1972/14/2/14_2_99/_p... The situation in endurance sports is very different. Very elevated cou…

Elite endurance athlete here. I definitely experience hangovers on the rare occasion that I drink. That said, was just on a cycling trip where one of the riders drank two bottles of wine to himself and was flying the next day. Might it be something about high vo2, not just "being an endurance athlete"?

I don't know.

The guy I was talking about was Master of Sports (Russian) in skiing. It requires being at least 40th at the nation level.

i have other anecdotes that supports theory that endurance training helps with alcohol metabolism.

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Post by ipqk »

zgluck wrote: post #112
Frost1x wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just hydrate and take a multivitamin when I do plan on drinking a bit. And drink lots of water after.

Drinking lots of water before going to bed works really well - when you remember doing that...

This is what I do. The trade off is that I wake up every 1-2 hours having to pee, and thus get a poor night's sleep. But better than being hungover.

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Post by ipqk »

danielfoster wrote: post #90
gniv wrote: post #47

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I was first introduced to 3% beer in Norway. It was crazy expensive (due to taxes on alcohol) and really good. I was disappointed that I couldn't find anything similar in the US.

That’s a shame to hear. While I understand why Norway taxes alcohol, placing such high taxes on a low-alcohol alternative encourages purchase of higher alcohol options in the same product category. Ideally low alchol beer would have a mild tax discount to encourage sustainable consumption.

That is sort of the case. Lower alcohol drinks are taxed less per volume.

But taxes are so high, that even low-alcohol drinks are still expensive.

A 3% beer is taxed ~US$1.25 for a half liter.

https://www.skatteetaten.no/en/business-and-organisation/vat...

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Post by klardotsh »

shaunxcode wrote: post #144
thisgoesnowhere wrote: post #143

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I think we are overcorrecting to the extremes. You don't have to be sober or crippling drunk you can have a drink once in a while and it's fine.

It’s also ok to be completely sober. In general if someone tells you they are sober it’s not a great idea to suggest they have a drink on occasion.

Alcohol and caffeine are the only two drugs I can think of (okay, in some circles maybe cannabis too) where the response to "I cut this thing out of my life" is often "why?" or "you know you could still do a little?"

One exercise to illustrate the ridiculousness and disrespect of phrases like that is to replace "alcohol" with "crack".

"I don't do crack anymore" would basically never be responded to with "you know, you could still have a little crack every so often!", so what's the difference? Some folks don't do alcohol anymore. And whether that's for health reasons, for "I'm tired of dancing on the bartops" reasons, or just for "I got bored of the scene" reasons, that's their business.

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Post by chromatin »

xmddmx wrote: post #130

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This is incorrect and dangerous advice.

Ethanol metabolism consumes S-glutathione, of which you have limited stores, and which is resynthesized over time.

Acetaminophen is metabolized to a toxic metabolite, NAPQI, which can be eliminated by glutathione conjugation via gluthione-S-transferases. When glutathione stores are depleted, for example due to alcohol consumption or acetaminophen overdose, NAPQI builds up and causes direct liver injury and cellular death: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2836803/

As it relates to alcohol, the combination is also dangerous because alcohol's metabolic byproduct acetaldehyde also builds up and causes cellular damage in the absence of sufficient glutathione (which soliloquizes it for urinary excretion)

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Post by yurishimo »

laurels-marts wrote: post #99
adamfarhadi wrote: post #88

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3,5% is actually the maximum ABV you can get in supermarkets in Sweden by law. For anything higher ABV than that you need to go to the government-owned chain called Systembolaget or go to a bar or restaurant that has a license to serve alcohol. Because of the restrictions though, craft breweries have been making some great <3,5% beers that they sell at supermarkets.

> 3,5% is actually the maximum ABV you can get in supermarkets in Sweden by law. For anything higher ABV than that you need to go to the government-owned chain called Systembolaget Jesus that sounds terrible. I get the good intent I suppose but the hell..

There are US states with monopolies on liquor sales too. It’s not that bad. The plus side is they are usually very clean and don’t let people hang around all day. It’s strictly business and that’s a good thing.

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

nightfly wrote: post #153
miduil wrote: post #109

I've been three+ years sober, really can recommend. Life is much different now, things that used to be fun aren't anymore - but I'm making strong connections nevertheless.

What's not fun anymore?

For me: being around drunk people for hours on end gets very tedious and you're no longer desensitised to your eardrums being pounded into the centre of your brain by the "less talking, more drinking" music volume.

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Post by StrictDabbler »

hash872 wrote: post #7

Wasn't synthetic alcohol part of the Star Trek mythos? It's been a long time since I've watched TNG but I seem to remember it was part of their world, at one point I have a vague memory of someone handing Picard a bottle of 'real' alcohol and him being amazed- 'this is the real stuff??' he asks? Or something to that effect. Maybe that's what Guinan was always serving at the Enterprise 'bar', synthetic alcohol. (Does…

You might be half-remembering the TNG episode "Relics" in which Scotty is rescued from a Dyson sphere after seventy-five years in a transporter buffer.

Scotty demands, and eventually obtains from Guinan, an actual bottle of Aldebaran whiskey. He has the holodeck recreate the bridge of the original Enterprise and drinks the whiskey there.

Picard shows up, Scotty offers Picard the bottle, then at the last moment warns him that it's real alcohol. Picard responds "I know, who do you think gave it to Guinan?"

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Post by Moomoomoo309 »

klardotsh wrote: post #155
shaunxcode wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also ok to be completely sober. In general if someone tells you they are sober it’s not a great idea to suggest they have a drink on occasion.

Alcohol and caffeine are the only two drugs I can think of (okay, in some circles maybe cannabis too) where the response to "I cut this thing out of my life" is often "why?" or "you know you could still do a little?" One exercise to illustrate the ridiculousness and disrespect of phrases like that is to replace "alcohol" with "crack". "I don't do crack anymore" would basically never be responded to with "you know, yo…

"Alcohol is humanity's oldest friend. How could I abandon a friend?" - Yang Wenli

The difference is the huge influence alcohol has had on all human cultures throughout history. Yes, it's poison, but it's our poison.

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