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1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been around a lot longer. We've called it Shell Shock, War Neurosis, Battle Fatigue and several other things. It's well documented. PTSD, imo, is just another layer of indirection when referring to trauma. It's name provides significantly less meaning than something like "shell shock" which gets right to the point of the matter. PTSD was certainly appreciated. Patton famously got a reaming from Eisenhower for ho…

"Shell shock" becomes a euphemism when you're talking about people traumatized by something other than artillery. PTSD is more general, and therefore more precise in the general case.

Regardless, PTSD is a terrible term because it's non-descriptive. It also makes it more difficult for a person to be empathetic to a sufferer of PTSD because it's not an on/off switch and more of a spectrum. A term like "shell shock" illustrates the actual trauma and enables people to be understand better why a person might act the way they do. It is often easier for a person with PTSD to describe themselves as a "victim of X" or "experienced Y" because the term is so disconnected from actual meaning. It belongs in medical textbooks, certainly, but in spoken language it's worthless. A perfect example of jargon.

Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been around a lot longer. We've called it Shell Shock, War Neurosis, Battle Fatigue and several other things. It's well documented. PTSD, imo, is just another layer of indirection when referring to trauma. It's name provides significantly less meaning than something like "shell shock" which gets right to the point of the matter. PTSD was certainly appreciated. Patton famously got a reaming from Eisenhower for ho…

"Shell shock" becomes a euphemism when you're talking about people traumatized by something other than artillery. PTSD is more general, and therefore more precise in the general case.

Shell shock is just the outdated term for what we now recognize as combat-induced PTSD. Before that it was deemed cowardice or malingering.

Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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This is what Oppenheimer should’ve been about. Not SPOILERS Mediocre politics, sex, boredom biopic.

A movie about Oppenheimer's life should be about... the immediate fallout of the bomb on the Japanese population?

Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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“ The story portrays the chaos in the immediate aftermath of the U.S.' Aug. 6, 1945 atomic bombing of Hiroshima, with some 88,000 residents, many of them survivors, performing as extras.” I wonder in how many induced PTSD. That term did not exist in the 1950s and maybe was not understood or at least appreciated.

Shellshock => Battle Fatigue => Operational Exhaustion => Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

https://www.thoughtco.com/soft-language-euphemism-1692111

Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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This is what Oppenheimer should’ve been about. Not SPOILERS Mediocre politics, sex, boredom biopic.

I disliked the anarchism erasure of portraying the Spanish civil war as a "communist party" cause (the authoritarian vanguardist type of communism that the movie focused on)

Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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“ The story portrays the chaos in the immediate aftermath of the U.S.' Aug. 6, 1945 atomic bombing of Hiroshima, with some 88,000 residents, many of them survivors, performing as extras.” I wonder in how many induced PTSD. That term did not exist in the 1950s and maybe was not understood or at least appreciated.

It's been around a lot longer. We've called it Shell Shock, War Neurosis, Battle Fatigue and several other things. It's well documented. PTSD, imo, is just another layer of indirection when referring to trauma. It's name provides significantly less meaning than something like "shell shock" which gets right to the point of the matter. PTSD was certainly appreciated. Patton famously got a reaming from Eisenhower for ho…

PTSD is more than a layer of indirection, it’s a bed for the current direction of research focused on trauma. Shell shock isn’t a good term for home abuse for example, but the current dogma is that similar neurological mechanisms underly these different kinds of trauma, thus joining them all under the term PTSD.

The benefit of this umbrella term is, or course, contingent on there actually existing such a universal neurological pattern of PTSD, which I don’t think can yet be decisively established.

Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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This is what Oppenheimer should’ve been about. Not SPOILERS Mediocre politics, sex, boredom biopic.

A movie about Oppenheimer's life should be about... the immediate fallout of the bomb on the Japanese population?

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Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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“ The story portrays the chaos in the immediate aftermath of the U.S.' Aug. 6, 1945 atomic bombing of Hiroshima, with some 88,000 residents, many of them survivors, performing as extras.” I wonder in how many induced PTSD. That term did not exist in the 1950s and maybe was not understood or at least appreciated.

I'm willing to bet it helped people come to terms with what happened more than it made things worse. Recontextualizing traumatic events in to a form you have control over is a powerful tool.

Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Shell shock" becomes a euphemism when you're talking about people traumatized by something other than artillery. PTSD is more general, and therefore more precise in the general case.

Regardless, PTSD is a terrible term because it's non-descriptive. It also makes it more difficult for a person to be empathetic to a sufferer of PTSD because it's not an on/off switch and more of a spectrum. A term like "shell shock" illustrates the actual trauma and enables people to be understand better why a person might act the way they do. It is often easier for a person with PTSD to describe themselves as a "vi…

That doesn’t really make sense. A victim of x doesn’t necessarily get PTSD from that. PTSD describes a specific set of symptoms that can occur after experiencing a traumatic experience.

Re: 1953 'Phantom' A-bomb film 'Hiroshima,' with 88,000 extras, screening in Tokyo

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In light of the release of Oppenheimer, people have been talking about, basically, the other side of the development of atomic weapons. John Hersey's "Hiroshima" article from the August 23, 1946 edition of the New Yorker came up as the definitive piece on the immediate impact of the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima, and it is a gripping read: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1946/08/31/hiroshima

https://web.archive.org/web/20230130070028/https://www.newyo...
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