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Alcohol without the hangover – scientists are finding ways

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Re: Alcohol without the hangover – scientists are finding ways

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Post by OJFord »

mcronce wrote: post #64
OJFord wrote: post #23

The (main) problem with alcohol-free 'beer'/'wine'/etc. isn't the lack of drunkenness feeling? Especially beer has improved a lot but it's not there yet, I don't see how developing synthetic 'alcohol' will help when we still can't remove, or make the drink without causing, real alcohol? As for hormone shots to treat an already acquired hangover... It seems niche/less than ideal - I don't think many people would want…

> The (main) problem with alcohol-free 'beer'/'wine'/etc. isn't the lack of drunkenness feeling? That depends on your goals. I like to catch a buzz once in a while but the majority of the time I'm drinking is because I really love the flavor of my favorite cocktails and the quality would be very poor as mocktails. Using a Mai Tai as an example, of I could get a couple 0ABV rums, I could sub clarified orange juice for…

Exactly, re-reading I think my phrasing (or rather use of question mark) was ambiguous but that's exactly what I mean, the problem isn't the lack of 'buzz', it's the taste not being as good.

Re: Alcohol without the hangover – scientists are finding ways

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Post by anthony_d »

SomeRndName11 wrote: post #57
pr0zac wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn't assume the effects you get match those of other people. People experience different effects because of differences in brain/body chemistry and genetics. People that get "asian flush" for instance process alcohol in a way that results in more toxic metabolites thus making alcohol literally more poisonous and less enjoyable for them. Holds true for other substances as well. My brother absolutely loves wee…

Precisely. Most people "enjoy" alcohol because it is socially accepted drug, but for many people so many other substances would be a lot more enjoyable, without collateral damage of alcohol for society. Alcohol is a poor choice for recreational drug for many, for the exceptions those who likes depressants.

Sounds like you didn’t actually read the comment you’re responding to. Any chance you work in politics?

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Post by nicholasbraker »

gniv wrote: post #47
bluefishinit wrote: post #4

I love my IPAs but I have to admit that the UK does social beer right. 3% or even 2.5% ales are the way to go if you want to socially drink. We have a concept of a "session" beer in the US, which is lower ABV but the selection of really good, really low gravity beers is the best in the UK as far as I can tell.

I was first introduced to 3% beer in Norway. It was crazy expensive (due to taxes on alcohol) and really good. I was disappointed that I couldn't find anything similar in the US.

I'm in Sweden on vacation now (and still binging HN..) and they have 3,5% variants of most major brand of beers like Carlsberg, Heineken and others, It's great! It tastes like a real beer, but without the buzz I usually get after a six-pack.

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Post by bluefishinit »

eterps wrote: post #24
bluefishinit wrote: post #4

I love my IPAs but I have to admit that the UK does social beer right. 3% or even 2.5% ales are the way to go if you want to socially drink. We have a concept of a "session" beer in the US, which is lower ABV but the selection of really good, really low gravity beers is the best in the UK as far as I can tell.

> 3% or even 2.5% ales I am not familiar with those, can someone give some examples of these types of beers?

The brown ales can be very low gravity. Usually you get low gravity stuff from a cask. I've had lighter ales that are really low too, but I think they are hard to find.

https://learn.kegerator.com/london-brown-ale/

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Post by moribvndvs »

1ba9115454 wrote: post #10

I've switched to alcohol free beers. They're a bit sweeter but for me it's fine.

So far, my favorite has been Guinness’ NA. It’s _almost_ imperceptible from the normal canned draught. My only real hangup with it is the extra plastic waste via the widget.

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Post by fileeditview »

Helmut10001 wrote: post #32
bluefishinit wrote: post #4

I love my IPAs but I have to admit that the UK does social beer right. 3% or even 2.5% ales are the way to go if you want to socially drink. We have a concept of a "session" beer in the US, which is lower ABV but the selection of really good, really low gravity beers is the best in the UK as far as I can tell.

I really like Full Sail Session IPA, every time I visit the US I get some. Germany is really lacking behind this hole development, the beer is just very poor these days here.

What are you talking about? Even most common supermarkets have a small variety of IPAs and other craft beers. And even without them there are small breweries everywhere in southern Germany which have great "classical" beers..

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Post by alasdairking »

eterps wrote: post #24
bluefishinit wrote: post #4

I love my IPAs but I have to admit that the UK does social beer right. 3% or even 2.5% ales are the way to go if you want to socially drink. We have a concept of a "session" beer in the US, which is lower ABV but the selection of really good, really low gravity beers is the best in the UK as far as I can tell.

> 3% or even 2.5% ales I am not familiar with those, can someone give some examples of these types of beers?

Yeah, this is like "pints of mild" in 1980s old man pubs in the North. I am skeptical such beers exist now in any mainstream pub or bar.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

maxerickson wrote: post #59
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and... This is not ambiguous: There is no safe amount that does not affect health.[1] "We cannot talk about a so-called safe level of alcohol use. It doesn’t matter how much you drink – the risk to the drinker’s health starts from the first drop of any alcoholic beverage. The only thing that we can say for sure is that the more you drink, the more harmful it is – or, in other words, the less you drink, the safer…

In an absolute sense, it also isn't safe to take a sip of water.

No these aren’t the same risk calculations and in fact use different measurement language - this is important because it’s an actual argument that is fallacious and regularly used.

This is the same poorly argued version of: “Milk is a gateway drug” when we’re evaluating a claim like “x% of y users used z drug before starting y, therefore z induces y” but actually irrelevant when asking for causal precursors.

That is a completely separate type of claim and argument.

“Risk to health” increases with abstention of water, the direct opposite of the mechanism for alcohol.

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Post by jebarker »

moribvndvs wrote: post #75
1ba9115454 wrote: post #10

I've switched to alcohol free beers. They're a bit sweeter but for me it's fine.

So far, my favorite has been Guinness’ NA. It’s _almost_ imperceptible from the normal canned draught. My only real hangup with it is the extra plastic waste via the widget.

I really like the Guinness NA too. But I heard someone say it had a hint of BBQ sauce to it and now I can't help but taste that when I drink it!

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Post by pfannkuchen »

flir wrote: post #68
eterps wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3% or even 2.5% ales I am not familiar with those, can someone give some examples of these types of beers?

I can't, and I'm in the UK. Even UK-brewed Fosters, widely conidered to be flavoured water, is 3.7%.

Even humans are basically flavored water.
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