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If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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post #117

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If you're walking there are fewer opportunities to advertise to you

> If you're walking there are fewer opportunities to advertise to you How so? I’m reminded of that sequence of shots in Zabriskie Point where Mark Frechette walks around Los Angeles and is assailed by billboards everywhere around him.

Perhaps GP meant that you can't fruitfully have cars advertised to you if you don't want to buy one

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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post #83

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Doesn't that just mean someone else is doing the driving?

It’s not a one-for-one replacement for at least two reasons: each shopper doesn’t have their own delivery vehicle, and the number of shopping trips that require vehicles is less.

Exactly. We'd be substantially better off, in terms of total quantity of driving done, if the standard practice was to have groceries delivered. Grocery stores could then be optimized around that, and eventually some of them could stop catering to in-person customers entirely, reducing expense and waste.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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post #55

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> Then try walking in a new neighbourhood with barely any shade. It is awful. Neighborhoods you’d typically want to walk in do have shade because they were all built a long time ago and there is somewhere for you to walk to. Suburban neighborhoods aren’t designed that way which is why even if there was shade there’s still nowhere to walk to. I do agree we need more trees planted and more shade. Unfortunately a lot of…

> Neighborhoods you’d typically want to walk in do have shade because they were all built a long time ago and there is somewhere for you to walk to. Suburban neighborhoods aren’t designed that way which is why even if there was shade there’s still nowhere to walk to. I agree with what you are saying generally but my point stands even for urban cores, which tend to have little to no trees (or many trees but not mature…

I agree though I don’t think it’s quite as bad as the suburbs. In Columbus we have lots of surface parking lots just to make sure you cook while you’re outside. (Or freeze)

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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post #4

The thing is we (as an American society) really don’t want a shift to walking. We like the idea of walking more but won’t actually do it. Instead we’ll make up a million excuses about why we just can’t walk. I say this as someone who at 40 years old has never learned to drive and who has walked/bicycled/taken the bus virtually everywhere I’ve needed to go. And I’ve lived in very rural and very suburban areas, as well…

> I say this as someone who at 40 years old has never learned to drive and who has walked/bicycled/taken the bus virtually everywhere I’ve needed to go. I say this with no mockery or disrespect, just description . . . you are not normal. I mean in a statistical sense. Not only are you part of (maybe the last) generation who salivated over the thought of getting a driver's license at 16 and getting away from Mom and D…

America being large is irrelevant. China is just as large and you don't see them struggling to figure out how to walk places. The fact is most of the US is practically empty. Connect the major urban hubs with rail and remove the cars (from urban centers) and we'll have fixed this.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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Can you explain this to me? For example, my local supermarket is a 8 minute walk from my house. Driving there would take about 5 minutes, due to one way streets etc, so including the hassle of parking etc it takes about as long. Driving there seems positively insane to me, except if I’m shopping for a party or something and need to fill the trunk. Are you saying that Americans would choose the car here? Or that in Am…

The grocery store example is very helpful to illustrate how its not just the quality, safety, and practicality (e.g. time) of the walk that leads to most Americans driving- there is also the fact that the whole process and experience is predicated on the expectation that you will have a personal car. Specifically: In the parts of W. Europe I have visited I observed mostly small grocery stores (esp in towns and cities…

> People may stop on thei walk home to get dinner items each night!

I'm glad that people who want that have that option, but that sounds incredibly unpleasant to me. I'd much rather minimize the total amount of time spent shopping.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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I liked lots of this, but I really disagree with the night shot. What about the dignity of the people living along the bright (overly) lighted sidewalk, who lose their dark skies and dark bedrooms? Street lights suck, and should be absolutely minimized, and turned off at 22h. If you feel intimidated by the dark, you can solve that for yourself: don't shine your fears into my windows.

excuse me, what? No, if I need to walk through late at night, I want to be safe. You have some options: - put the bedrooms away from the street - invest in some curtains - live somewhere more pastoral???

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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post #9

If we want a shift to walking, we need cities to plant around 100x the number of trees they have. Ever walk through an old, mature neighbourhood? Usually there are tons of people on the sidewalks, and a primary reason is that there are mature trees providing plenty of shade. Then try walking in a new neighbourhood with barely any shade. It is awful.

Can't upvote this enough. In Austin, with us on track to break the record of 100+ degree consecutive days, there is a huge difference between walking along nice, shaded areas and barren sidewalks. The trees don't even need to be that "mature" - I've seen new developments plant grown trees that only take a couple years to really expand. Like the blog post and other commenters mentioned, it's not just trees alone but e…

It's crazy to me that people need to be reminded that trees, and plants in general, lower the temperature. Sufficient amounts of dense bushes do absolute wonders. I can feel the cool, moist air from 20 meters.

Animals understand this stuff just fine, yet certain modern humans somehow have trouble with the concept.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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post #4

The thing is we (as an American society) really don’t want a shift to walking. We like the idea of walking more but won’t actually do it. Instead we’ll make up a million excuses about why we just can’t walk. I say this as someone who at 40 years old has never learned to drive and who has walked/bicycled/taken the bus virtually everywhere I’ve needed to go. And I’ve lived in very rural and very suburban areas, as well…

How do you get toddlers to daycare, preteens to soccer practice, etc.

Well in a well-designed city, you could just walk to all those things. From my house in Berkeley, CA, daycare is about 400 meters from my house. There are two fields of soccer-ing size, one about 10 minutes away and one 25 minutes by foot.

The grocery store is a 4 minute walk, my hairdresser is a 1 minute walk, CVS is a 3 minute walk.

I also have an amazing park with play structures, basketball courts, tennis courts, large gracy field, a creek, picnic areas, and such about a 1 minute walk away.

I can bike to work in 20 minutes.

This could be everywhere in the US. There's nothing special about where I live except that it's development predates the automobile.

Re: If we want a shift to walking we need to prioritize dignity

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This lens is underutilized in the discourse, but people feel it acutely. Even a lot of the anti-cycling stance comes down to, “What am I, poor?” When you are using transportation infrastructure that’s designed with contempt for you, you know, and you don’t want to be there. See also: rail slow zones, buses that shimmy and rattle violently on imperfect pavement, how Muni trains close their doors and pull one foot out…

> Even a lot of the anti-cycling stance comes down to, “What am I, poor?”

Or this tired bit of "wit": "Oh, you're biking? Let me guess, DUI?"

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