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Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by paulmd »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #704
lofaszvanitt wrote: post #699

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So what phone do you recommend for someone who is looking for a new phone?

If security is a concern, getting a newer Pixel and installing GrapheneOS is your best bet. It's still not perfect and nothing beats just not having a cell phone, but that's a choice very few are okay with today. The trick with GrapheneOS, or any privacy setup, is that it requires attention to stay reasonably secure. The OS won't matter if you enable Google services and install apps that track and sell all your data.

Ah yes, android is perfectly secure as long as you install an aftermarket os, and then don’t install google services or any android application which uses google services (all of them).

Or you could just use the brand that gives 6-7 years of OS updates and 10+ years of security updates out of the box…

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by paulmd »

makeitdouble wrote: post #637
scarface_74 wrote: post #552

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The iPhone 5s from 2013 got a security update earlier this year..

Fair point. Super critical security updates could go on, while official OS support is dead. To note, iOS doesn't allow alternative browsers so Safari will also be stuck in time and there will be no option to get any modern engine on the device (I'm not even sure you could get one through jailbreaking, that would be a lot of porting efforts for virtually no one on the market) I resurrected a third gen iPad a few weeks…

iPhone 8+ is only just falling off the OS update wagon now, and that’s a 2017 phone. Security updates will go on for another few years beyond that.

The SE 2020 is in no danger of falling off OS updates anytime soon let alone security.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by hnburnsy »

40yearoldman wrote: post #730
zh3 wrote: post #316

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I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

Probably because when they buy something they want it to work. I was a die hard android fan boy. Owned nearly all android flagships. I first was driven away from the Google branded phones because it was clear their priorities where something other than providing me the best hardware and software experience. Then I was driven away from Samsung because too much bloat and advertisements within the core OS. None is the h…

Ive found 2 models ago Samsung phones, Fdroid, and Universal Debloater to be the trifecta...

https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by skydhash »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #701
skydhash wrote: post #619

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Or I can get a proper workstation (which I already have because I need it for proper work) which will run circle around the dex. Have you tried to run Android Studio with a big project? You need some good computing power for indexing the code and building it.

>Or I can get a proper workstation You misunderstood. DEX is not there to replace your workstation, but can be a short-term productivity workstation, in case your laptop is stolen or in for repairs.

Shouldn't professionals have backup tools? The use case may be interesting, but it's not something that I'd want to rely on.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by paulmd »

brookst wrote: post #634
zh3 wrote: post #316

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I'm constantly amazed by how people spend so much of their income on Apple products; it's almost like their lives are ruled by the status they feel an iPhone brings (and the consequential sacrificial purchasing). It likely varies by area and average income, here it's almost an inverse correlation - the less-well off kids at school tend to have parents on iPhones and the comfortable parents are on whatever works for t…

I'm amazed at the emotionality of people who dislike Apple. I guess it's a classic projection thing where those with strong emotions opposed assume that those who disagree must do so out of the polar opposite emotion. Apple products are less expensive the more money you make. Not just as a relative income statement, but because of resale value. You can buy a new $1000 phone every single year and end up spending $300/…

I’ve said the same thing and it turns out so have others

http://paulgraham.com/fh.html

It’s the flipside of fanboys - there are “hateboys” who are parasocially attached to the brand but it’s a negative parasocial attachment.

Nvidia has the same thing going on.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by extra88 »

yellowapple wrote: post #726
saagarjha wrote: post #696

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Which PC laptop is half the price of, say, a MacBook Air and has better or even similar performance, battery life, input devices…? Keep in mind that you're talking about a $500-$600 price point here.

I don't know if you meant to imply that a Macbook Air starts at $500-600, but if you did then you'd be incorrect based on https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/ . In any case, I think the switch from Intel to ARM makes any such comparisons meaningless until we start seeing more ARM-based laptops in the same niche.

They meant if the person was right, the PC would have to cost $500-600. A PC laptop being in that price range and equal or better than a MacBook Air is a fantasy.

ARM and Intel laptops are directly comparable because you can compare what people can do them.

Not all ARM processors are created equal, Apple's are superior in iPhones and laptops, there's no reason to expect that to change in the near future.

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by solardev »

gizajob wrote: post #710
solardev wrote: post #666

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To avoid having to use crappy UIs and apps from random OEMs. And to get updates directly from Google. I never wanted "Google compatible" phone like an IBM compatible PC. Just like the Wintel ecosystem, Android fragmented into chaos. Pixels are the only way to get a Google phone now without all the third party bloat and crapware.

Motorolas come without bloat and crapware

Do they get updates?

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by solardev »

mikae1 wrote: post #679
solardev wrote: post #666

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To avoid having to use crappy UIs and apps from random OEMs. And to get updates directly from Google. I never wanted "Google compatible" phone like an IBM compatible PC. Just like the Wintel ecosystem, Android fragmented into chaos. Pixels are the only way to get a Google phone now without all the third party bloat and crapware.

> To avoid having to use crappy UIs and apps from random OEMs. And to get updates directly from Google. And three years of platform updates with very low resale value. At the time when I got my last pixel it was also three years of security updates . Add to that that the average consumer won't buy at release date. Quite pathetic (compared to Apple).

Yeah, it's terrible compared to Apple. I tried an iPhone for a few months but just didn't like it :/

Re: US smartphone shipments fall sharply, but Android more than iPhone

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Post by partiallypro »

aednichols wrote: post #262
partiallypro wrote: post #122

Does this mean the US government can finally start treating Apple the way it treats Microsoft, etc when it does clearly anti-competitive things? They get away with murder sometimes and no one bats an eye. Even here on HN, it's full of people that turn a blind eye because they have a love for Apple. Everything as spun as "looking out for the user" as if not using USB-C, locking out RCS, the "Apple Tax" etc are anythin…

People forget, but Apple faced a massive backlash in 2012 when it replaced the 30 pin connector with Lightning. People called it a ploy to make money on cables. Tons of e-waste. USB C devices started shipping in 2015, so one can see why they didn't want to put themselves through that again. Adopting USB C in fall 2023 iPhones is smart, because by now everyone has USB C cables already to charge their iPads, Macs, and…

They are only adopting USB-C because the EU is forcing them to, and they still are intentionally limiting features on cables that don't meet their standards (ie paying a license to Apple.)
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