Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…
> Until Discord appeared we had > Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc And now we have Discord, Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, Slack, Teams, etc etc
IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on the server. Many servers give you a reasonable amount of backlog before joining. A lot of regular users use something nice like Quassel or ZNC.
Good point, connecting to a client or bouncer right on the server resolves this.
Yes, but then you need a client/bouncer which costs some sort of resource, whether it being your own computer, VPS or paid service.
It's not trivial to setup a bouncer for the new guy who's just worked out how to connect to IRC.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#253> Anyone who has ever used IRC knows that there is nothing even remotely complicated about using it, but the terminology and the steps required to use one are ostensibly terrifying enough to reliably keep the technically illiterate at bay. This remark, topped with the author's piece on "normiefication", is the kind of intellectual elitism that reliably keeps me away from IRC whenever I think of coming back to it.
This person’s view is so insular and so self-centered that they truly seem to believe that IRC is not complicated. This is an excellent illustration of how important it is to stay grounded and connected to your real-world user base.
When the irreducible complexity of a problem is met with a simple implementation the complexity has to go somewhere else, usually the user.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
Discord has shitty logging and log-search capabilities. Discord's logging is shitty because: 1 - The logs aren't yours, they're Discord's. If you get banned from the server, your server shuts down, or Discord bans you altogether your access to those logs is gone forever. 2 - Unlike the logs of some IRC channels, Discord's logs aren't available on the web anywhere, so they can't be indexed or searched outside of Disco…
>But Discord is an information black hole where data goes to die. I'm really saddened and angry that projects end up using Discord as their main forum interface. Not everything is worth keeping around forever, but Discord is as closed a closed garden as can be. That's great for private servers between friends, but it's contrary to the ethos of Open Source, as nothing is really in the open. History is basically unsear…
Does the Matrix ecosystem fit this use case?https://github.com/matrix-org
One project I’m working on uses it instead of Slack and the Element client specifically is pretty good and constantly adding new features
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd rather have Discord some user data that I'm consciously putting there instead of my enemies from the game DDoSing/Stalking me Security by obscurity is not a real solution. If you have a public IP connected to the internet, you will be subjected to attacks and port scans either way. Configure your network and firewall correctly and ensure no ports are open instead of trusting the false sense of security given by…
You don't understand the threat model of OP: it's not a case of "general internet port scanner getting into my network" it's a case of "guy I've pissed off in this video game DDossing my residential internet connection or using that information to dox me". For the latter no level of security on my own network is going to prevent the bad outcome, but effectively having a proxy through a 3rd party does (and discord doe…
The "threat model" of OP is the consequence of a wrong usage pattern. You keep your identities separate. If you're in a high-stakes environment where being DDoSed or attacked is an actual threat, you compartmentalize that identity adequately by going through a proxy, VPN, TOR, I2P, or using a different medium altogether. Fortunately, unlike other services, this is extremely easy with IRC since the identity is just a nick, and nothing prevents one from having as many identities as needed.
This obsession with having a single centralized identity where some vendor is trusted to painstakingly guard the linked PIID is misguided, unsafe, and harmful. Discord will fall prey to a data exfiltration attack eventually, and affected people will only then realize that this trust was misplaced. The fact that people are comfortable giving Discord their phone numbers while being worried about their client IP being exposed on IRC is baffling.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
How old is slack and discord? Slack is just a modern irc interpretation. It literally started running on top of IRC. Discord got popular because it was one of the only chats that kids could access and install in school. It wasn’t a serious tool.
> just a modern irc interpretation This is the point isn't it. If IRC were fit for purpose, we wouldn't need "modern interpretations".
if IRC weren't fit for purpose, nobody would be using it
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have permission, nobody has been suspended for using a dedicated discord bot (one where you must be an admin to invite to a server) to run this Discord Chat Exporter, at least based on the GitHub issues/discussions of that repo.
The problem isn’t no one has - it’s that the could be. I can not possibly understand why anyone considers discord to be anything but a company with absolute control of a product.
Perhaps if you directly contacted support and said "hey I am using a log bot come and get me" but in no other circumstance is a reasonable fear. They have no way to track what you do with on message events once they have been delivered.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
IRC is an information black hole where data that crosses the event horizon (scrolls off screen) will never return. Sure, you can write your own logs, but does your business want you creating even more information to have to submit as evidence if you’re sued? What a nightmare.
...Don't do shit worth getting sued over?
I worked for a company who interviewed someone who turned out to be a habitual scammer.
He somehow managed to know enough technical information to get past a phone screen, and in the in-person interview claimed to be the second coming of Christ. When he didn't get hired, he sued for religious discrimination.
Fortunately, all communications with and about him were entirely professional and didn't include a reference to his claim, so (iirc) the case was tossed in short order.
That being said, you don't need to do anything to get sued- you just need to have something worth suing for.
Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
My company uses chats as information stores. Not saying it’s the best idea, but you are an outlier with your preference.
Do employee’s store stuff in the “recycle bin”/“trash”? And get upset when IT empties it when the disc is full? Yes this is a real thing.
Some days when I am mad at the world I would want to work the help desk at a place like this and just destroy people.