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Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Even the popularization of the latin name Marijuana (Mary Jane) was to associate cannabis with latin American immigrants. In Spanish it's mostly called marihuana or mariguana.

Where exactly do people say Mariguana? Not in Mexico. If you over-pronounce Spanish the J catches in your throat a bit, but it's still an H sound.

It's a sound that English often renders as “ch” from other languages.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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I have been partaking in them for the majority of my adult life. Looking at this data I’m surprised the number is not higher - 8%. My own impression is that it’s taking so long because even people familiar with them, like me, don’t actually reach for them all that often. They’re not habit forming. And talking about psychedelic experiences is a bit like talking about your dreams - it’s boring and personal.

The overall usage in the population is low because psychedelics are unpredictable. They can have long term effects on the human psyche and there is a correctly ingrained notion in society that they are dangerous to a stable mindset.

Dangerous to the stable mindset? I thought the current understanding was that psychedelic use risks exacerbating underlying conditions, not causing new ones.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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Is it not? Psychedelics are being tested for treating PTSD. What is chronic PTSD other than a stable mindset? The point of psychedelic treatment being to destabilize an unwanted mindset.

I took this as a tongue-in-cheek remark akin to "dead patients are stable" - the implication being of course that "stable" doesn't mean "good" or "healthy".

Not tongue in cheek but you basically have my meaning. Reaperman was closer with his statement that they’re chaotic. I mean to say they are stuck in a chaotic state which they wish to escape but cannot.

Re: Why did it take psychedelics so long to become popular?

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it not? Psychedelics are being tested for treating PTSD. What is chronic PTSD other than a stable mindset? The point of psychedelic treatment being to destabilize an unwanted mindset.

PTSD is anything but stable. It's highly volatile and extremely unpredictable day-to-day, hour-to-hour. It's not only "unstable" matching the classic example of a small force on an inverted pendulum will topple it over in dramatic fashion, but it's also "chaotic" -- "exhibits sensitive dependence on initial conditions, which can often lead to seemingly random or unpredictable behavior over time, despite a system's de…

Thanks. I see my comment was lacking. I intended to say something closer to returning a chaotic state. An inverted pendulum will become stable but someone with ptsd will continue to be chaotic. Saying psychedelics are dangerous for a stable mind doesn’t mean much if the mind is experiencing chaos and the danger has a chance to reduce the chaos.
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