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IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by j45 »

hprotagonist wrote: post #98
ginko wrote: post #8

> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

let’s rebrand “mosh and a vps” as “irc nitro”, and then everyone will be happy. (ripgrep is a very nice log searching tool, only top tier users will be told about it!)

Or be told about the channels that are not for beginners

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by j45 »

hoyd wrote: post #87
ginko wrote: post #8

> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

To preserve logs, I would ssh into a screen on a server that was connected.

It’s nice when simple solutions just work.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by rcxdude »

throw2022110401 wrote: post #88
rvz wrote: post #66

That ship has sailed. IRC lost to Discord years ago. Don't care about it being closed source. IRC also lost to the Matrix protocol as not only that is much better, it is also just as competitive with Element and they are making money, meaning that they can afford to add more features. IRC is prehistoric ancient history. It's time to evolve and leave that protocol in the dust and go with modern alternatives like Matri…

> IRC lost to Discord years ago. A couple of years ago you'd have told me the exact same thing but with s/Discord/Slack/ IRC has "lost" many times before and yet it's still around while the previous "winners" are all gone or irrelevant. Even if Discord is tolerable today how long before it becomes terminally enshittified?

Last I checked Slack has many more users than IRC

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by j45 »

tester756 wrote: post #16

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…

The way I remember discord is it’s the only chat app kids could generally install, access or use as in school chat.

Then it was the voice chat for any video game play.

Being a Swiss Army knife of chat can be handy to get users together from different chat platforms

How am I doing

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by magsarion »

tester756 wrote: post #16

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…

> Voice Chat

Integrating a Jitsi bot into the channel solves this.

> Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc)

All possible with good old web linking. Link to an image host, a pastebin, or a file host of your choice. Many IRC clients support inline display of image/media URLs.

All major IRC clients and servers support UTF-8 as well, so emoji away.

> Streaming Video (!!)

Jitsi (with a bot) or web linking.

> File share

Web linking.

> Robust bot integration

Quite possibly one of the strongest arguments for IRC. The protocol is well-documented, and it's very easy to write an IRC bot.

> Lack of security problem unlike the self-hosted alternatives have.

Also lack of transparency. The self-hosted open alternatives are auditable and can be inspected. Nobody knows what Discord does with user data or what security issues exist.

> Push2Talk - this is also important, I dont understand how e.g Teams dont have this shit.

Your (possibly self-hosted) Jitsi instance already has this.

> One account between all servers with ability to customize your identity

Until you get banned/blocked for some arbitrary reason, at which point you might as well start over, since everything is gone.

tl;dr: Web linking + some bot integration and client affordances solve all these. This is how the web is supposed to work.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

robinsonb5 wrote: post #113
tester756 wrote: post #16

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…

I don't hate Discord, but I do hate that it's being used in contexts where a good old fashioned web forum would make more sense.

It’s also like Slack but very noisy.

I don’t get its appeal at all.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

magsarion wrote: post #145
tester756 wrote: post #16

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…

> Voice Chat Integrating a Jitsi bot into the channel solves this. > Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) All possible with good old web linking. Link to an image host, a pastebin, or a file host of your choice. Many IRC clients support inline display of image/media URLs. All major IRC clients and servers support UTF-8 as well, so emoji away. > Streaming Video (!!) Jitsi (with a bot) or web…

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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by jowea »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #102
tester756 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's start with one account between all servers. Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. I've actually been doing it for some time - school (1 server) & private discord account (like 10 servers). >And one censoring authority. Sure, that's valid concern, I respect it. For me it's a trade off.

Actually, if a previous account happened to have a phone number attached, and you're asked for one again when making a second account, then provide the same number, Discord will automatically ban both accounts with no way to appeal. Which happened to me because I apparently had an old account I had forgotten about. So now I need a new phone number if I want to use Discord.

I've heard of that, but I think the rule changed, Discord even includes an account switcher now.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by kmfrk »

pmoriarty wrote: post #46
ginko wrote: post #8

> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

Discord has shitty logging and log-search capabilities. Discord's logging is shitty because: 1 - The logs aren't yours, they're Discord's. If you get banned from the server, your server shuts down, or Discord bans you altogether your access to those logs is gone forever. 2 - Unlike the logs of some IRC channels, Discord's logs aren't available on the web anywhere, so they can't be indexed or searched outside of Disco…

The thing that's driven me crazy about Discord since its launch is how bad its read position logging is compared to the service they copied (Slack). I don't know how you catch up on any conversation regularly, especially in a work environment.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Post by j45 »

robinsonb5 wrote: post #113
tester756 wrote: post #16

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unli…

I don't hate Discord, but I do hate that it's being used in contexts where a good old fashioned web forum would make more sense.

But irc can’t
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